Posted On: Wednesday - August 19th 2020 6:01PM MST
In Topics:   Immigration Stupidity  Student and other Snowflakes  Bible/Religion  So-called Pope Francis
(Continued from previous post with its excellent, thoughtful comments so far.)
The argument being discussed here is whether the modern version of Christianity is at least partly responsible for the downfall of western society. Some of the comments/posts that I've see address this topic go all the way back to the very beginning of Christianity. They say we need to go back to paganism, Druidism(?), etc. Most would probably disagree with this opinion. When you look at history right up through the middle of the 20th century, 19 centuries of evidence (OK, 16 or so starting from the Roman adoption of Christianity) tells us the Western World did very well under Christianity, beating out, well everyone else. That's not to say it is the secret to our success, but it sure didn't hurt.
What about the last 75 years though? I am no Professor of Divinity, though it's apparently very easy to become one via the internet now. I can't discuss which Vatican forum was the downfall. I don't know which Pope to blame, if it comes down to Catholicism alone (not really), though I do know a recent Commie so-called Pope who is a very big example of the problem right now.
Again, most religions lead us to strive for the next life or next world, which will be better by a long shot than this one, or we wouldn't sign up. Christianity, though, is emphatic that no matter how much good one does in this one, that is no guarantee of any spot in the next one. Secondly, the emphasis on forgiveness towards ones enemies is something that is particular from Jesus. Both of these are concepts that don't come easily to us, but that's just it - it's about faith.
That does not mean that active Christians don't do more than their share of good in this world. Ask anyone, and he'd rather some Jehovah's Witness ladies knock on the door offering help than any bearded Moslem guy in a robe. They are trustworthy because of their attitude, and were the world really filled with true Christians (kind of the point for the Evangelical types)*, I don't think I'd be writing this post.
For whatever reasons, the forgiveness and tolerance** aspect of modern Christianity has been elevated to be the be-all-to-end-all over creating and maintaining a Western Christian society to begin with. This is the large-scale problem. Peak Stupidity has discussed in numerous posts (the Students and other Snowflakes has kinda morphed into a catch-all for some of these) the ridiculous tolerance for stupidity that modern Christian churches have signaling their virtues with***. On the immigration front, it involves invited millions of COMPLETE foreigners to live in our communities, changing them for the worse. See, the good being done for those individuals brought here may not do a bit of good for those of US already here, in this world, but they are thinking of the next. OTOH, good works alone, which is in this case surely in the eye of the
If the Lutherans that push this stuff, the Southern Baptist Convention support for Black Lives Matter idiocy , and pretty much all of the rest of the traditional denominations of American Christianity are all woke up, well, they are not concerned with this world. That is, at least this world in traditional America. They have their faith, they do what they FEEL is their best good works, but if their grandchildren end up growing up as strangers in a strange land, and if this world ends up burning in civil war, well, shoot, that's not really their problem. They are looking to the next world.
This post was just about to lead to the small-scale aspect of modern Christian extreme forgiveness and tolerance, but I think that'll have to be Part 3. Instead, today, how 'bout some Tucker Carlson goodness, regarding this world.
* The Chinese people have benefited a lot from the Christian religion, those in China practicing often under the table (not literally!) along with those around the world, such as in America. Western Christians tried to convert the place starting a coupla hundred years back, but they were needles in a haystack of people. (Read "A Great War never even heard of - the Taiping Rebellion " about a big war involving some weird fallout from this effort.
** I don't think "tolerance" is actually mentioned anywhere in the New Testament (or Old Testament, most definitely!) but it seems to be part of the dogma now.
*** Well, OK, and to collect a whole lot of money for doing so, off of the US taxpayer, no less. The best source on all of this is the wonderful Refugee Resettlement Watch site, run by one nice and hardworking lady, Mrs. Ann Corcoran. She's got her own URL now, so Wordpress or Blogspot (whomever it was) can't fuck with her.
**** That is NOT a Biblical passage in Proverbs. Per wiki (I know, right?) the closest thing can be found in Ecclesiastes (see more) 21:10, "The way of sinners is made plain with stones, but at the end thereof is the pit of hell." It is not clear to me that this has the same meaning, but anyway, this is Old Testament stuff, incorporated by Christianity, but not necessarily taken as the Gospel (haha!) Here's more the section of Chapter 21 in question:
7 An eloquent man is known far and near; but a man of understanding knoweth when he slippeth.
8 He that buildeth his house with other men's money is like one that gathereth himself stones for the tomb of his burial.
9 The congregation of the wicked is like tow wrapped together: and the end of them is a flame of fire to destroy them.
10 The way of sinners is made plain with stones, but at the end thereof is the pit of hell.
11 He that keepeth the law of the Lord getteth the understanding thereof: and the perfection of the fear of the Lord is wisdom.
12 He that is not wise will not be taught: but there is a wisdom which multiplieth bitterness.
13 The knowledge of a wise man shall abound like a flood: and his counsel is like a pure fountain of life.