Posted On: Tuesday - March 1st 2022 6:01PM MST
In Topics:   General Stupidity  The Russians  History  World Political Stupidity
From another commenter, I used this line in previous post to explain why I am a Friend of Vlad right now, when it comes to the goings on in the Ukraine. That can be a good principle to use in wartime, and it's cultural wartime right here and now. However, it does have its drawbacks, as we can see from just 2 examples, which happen to involve some Mr. Putin's and my same crowd - Russians and Americans.*
Those 3 up top are, of course, British PM Winston Churchill, US President Franklin Roosevelt, and USSR Premier Joseph Stalin at the famous Yalta Conference in February of 1945, held to decide how Europe would be run after the war was over**. Of all places, this meeting*** was held right where the trouble is now. Yalta is just northeast of the southern tip of the Crimean peninsula, on the shores of the Black Sea.
I'm sure the conference was not all friendly-like between "Uncle Joe" and the other two men, but Stalin and the USSR were allied with America and the West due to the goal of first and foremost defeating the Nazis. "The enemy (Russia) of my enemy (Germany) is my friend."
That the United States that formed this friendship with this miserable government of the USSR, which had been Communist for 2 1/2 decades already, is something that was based on the idea that the US MUST be in this war to defeat the Nazis. Much of that is due to the Socialist FDR.
Was it that FDR sympathized with Communism, or was it (more likey) that he absolutely wanted us in that war and the Nazis defeated. There's a very good argument that America and Western Europe to boot, should have stayed out and let the Germans and Soviets fight it out.
That argument aside, America sent much war materiel over a few years to the Soviets well before the troops were in battle in Africa and then Europe to split the effort in defeating the Nazis. After the few years of the war, by 1945, it was already obvious that this friendly relationship wasn't going to last. Within a year the American, British, and French administered regions of Germany were West Germany, and the Soviet sector was East Germany. Berlin was similarly divided.**** One year after the end of our "friendship" with the enemy of our enemy, the Cold War was officially on, if one can base it on Winston Churchill's "Iron Curtain" speech of March '46. 3 years later, both sides had nuclear weapons which were aimed at each other's lands in various ways and in greatly increasing numbers over the next 4 decades.
The same nations, but in a different configuration, were involved in a similar "enemy of my enemy" less than 4 decades after that first friendship deal.
One of the hotspots of the Cold War was Afghanistan. As with America in Vietnam, it started with politics and revolutions and then "advisors", but the Red Army invaded the country in earnest in the Fall of 1979. America had a problem with that, of course, and supported the opposing forces.
Afghanistan being a Moslem country, it was one of the many varied groups of wild jihadis, the Mujahideen, that the US decided to make friends with as the enemy of our (Arch-) enemy, the USSR. Maybe nobody translated it, or maybe nobody cared, but "Mujahideen" means "strugglers for justice" or "doers of Jihad". Hey, I don't like the sound of that! The latter meaning is worrisome, but then, so long as they don't come here ... and we don't have a reason to come there... except for those "advisors" showing these Mujahideen fellows how to use Stinger surface-to-air missiles to take down the Soviet helicopters that were a mainstay***** of their operations, they shouldn't be any problem for us ...
As a quick aside, there is a pretty good movie named Charlie Wilson's War that covers some of this story. Charlie Wilson was the Texas Congressman very involved in setting this all up and he was involved in lots of such subterfuge over the years. This Tom Hanks movie, made in '07, was based on a book by George Crile, Charlie Wilson's War: The Extraordinary Story of How the Wildest Man in Congress and a Rogue CIA Agent Changed the History of our Times. I haven't read the book, so I don't know how close the movie keeps to the book, hence how accurate, and who knows about the book either?
OK, so we all know how badly their Afghanistan venture ended for the Soviets (along with all this other general history that almost all readers are surely familiar with). Some say this war in Afghanistan was part of the reason for the downfall of the USSR, but I doubt it was more than a small part of the big picture.
Well, a decade after this war started, there was no USSR. Just over a decade after that, this old "friend" of America was, if not the culprit, blamed for the destruction and death in NY City.
This "enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing just doesn't always work out for the best after a few years have gone by. Was it worth it each of these 2 times? In the 1st example, it should never have been the case in the first place, our friending the Commies of Soviet Russia. If they'd fought the Germans without the huge help of America, or the Nazi's had beaten them, we'd have saved ourselves from that expensive Cold War and the MIC expansion that went with it.******. In the 2nd example, we know from hindsight that our friendship with the that crazy Mujahideen crowd didn't help us much in the grand scheme of things. For both of these examples we ended up with a bigger enemy than the initial enemy for which we'd befriended them.
What about the idea from the previous post, that we patriots befriend Vladimir Putin and Russia? They are the enemy of our enemies, the Feral Gov't, Deep State, and Globalist/Communist elites. In this case, it's not like we're in a position to do anything but root for them though. We patriots don't control anything of the apparatus of the Feral Gov't that is involved in the conflict. We're going to have to win this cultural war (for now) here on our own. That is, unless the country ends up breaking apart, a plausible scenario, and then will the anti-Globo-homo Russkies be on the side of us patriots? We'd be lucky if they don't loot the place, but it's be much more likely that it'd be the Chinese doing that. ******* The Golden Rule of much of the world is "He who has the gold, makes the rules."
PS: What the hell, man?! This was supposed to be a quick post.
* Yes, that IS an Al Stewart album. If you knew that, you are a fellow history-rock fan.
** There were also deals made about places and events in the Far East. Regarding Europe, the winning of the war by the allies was a sure thing, with the Americans/British/etc having gotten to the western border of Germany, and the Russians 40 miles east of Berlin.
*** The "Big Three" leaders had met together before in Tehran, Iran in November of '43, and did again in Potsdam, Germany in late July of '45, well after the German surrender.
**** The story of the Berlin Airlift of '48 - '49 is something else, if you like aviation.
***** There are so many parallels to the Vietnam War, that the Soviets ought to have been pretty wary of taking on the whole project. (Well, they didn't have American-supported and home-grown protesters taking over university campuses and stuff, OTOH.)
****** Would we have had the Cold War with the Nazis? That's alt-history or alt-right speculation. I don't know, but the question is pretty interesting.
******* YES! You're in luck. Peak Stupidity has a 6 part series on Will America be looted by China - Part 1: Intro -- Part 2: Housing -- Part 3: Big Biz -- Part 4: The Fruited Plain -- Part 5: The Wilderness --Part 6: Conclusion - The Golden Rule.