Image selection difficulties


Posted On: Monday - March 7th 2022 12:42PM MST
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I'm sure it's just Peak Stupidity's lack of search foo causing this.



A couple of years into this blog, I and a commenter realized around the same time that having images at the top of posts was a good idea. I'd noticed that VDare, one of my favorite websites, did this most of the time. I guess the idea is to visually get the idea of what one is writing about in the reader's head early, or some psychological process that I don't feel like thinking about ...

Because I hate google, I use it only for searches of - you guessed it - "Peak Stupidity" and variants thereof, in order to help stay up top. I know there are plenty of other good search engines out there, but I use duckduckgo for most, but have found out that bing is better for images.

I guess the way it works is that the search software looks for page with the words one has entered and shows the images from these pages. (On bing, once I click on a specific picture, I'll see a link, though sometimes it strangely doesn't have that same picture on the resulting page.) I am pretty amazed sometimes though. "Digital clock in hotel room" or something gets me what I want. The most specific of image searches results in an Alamy stock photo quite a bit, unfortunately, as I don't want that logo across the one I use for a post.

Anyhow, as I looked for images on the Canadian trucker protest, it hit home how this bing image search screens them "for me" based on politics. I'll try all kinds of combinations of what I do want, such as "Ottawa crackdown", but they'll get me nothing that I want most times. I understand that the wrong word means the software may not find much, but is it more that bing doesn't want to use a page with that terminology to get me an image? Even when I DO try to use the "correct" terms, the ones I think it would rather "see", I'll get biased imagery (not in the photography sense involving exposure*).

I mean, why the Rebel flag, of which I'd read there was but 1, if any? Was it that lots of internet users pulled up that page, or it wanted to show me the side of the story I'm supposed to support? It's not like the appropriate images aren't out there on-line. I've seen the on the pages I read, but I've got to make an effort to save them at the time.

They are not making this as easy for me as it should be. I suppose it's still easier than it would have been in 1975, hitching a ride to the protest, lugging my SLR with the 500 mm telephoto lens around, and taking the images myself to bring home to get developed hopefully only a couple of weeks later to put on my site. Wait, what's a site?


* Does anyone even know, or need to know, that term anymore?

Comments:
Hail
Friday - March 11th 2022 7:56AM MST
PS

Have you tried Yandex for these image-searches?

I am curious if it ends up getting banned.

It's pretty good as a search engine and is Russian (which is why it could, somehow, get 'banned' in the current environment). AFAIK it's somewhat outside the world of what we call Big Tech. I think this means it's like Google Images was in the 2000s, before it became actively curating its results.

My search for "Canada trucker protests" on Yandex gives some good results.

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And while talking about search engines, DuckDuckGo has lost my respect after one or two days ago announcing it was henceforth going to downgrade the search results for all Russian websites, to support Ukraine.

I can't believe they did that, but everyone wants to get a piece of the Panic while the getting's good. It's too tempting, even when it deals real damage to your own brand (which I think such an announcement DOES to DuckDuckGo).
Moderator
Friday - March 11th 2022 7:17AM MST
PS: Mr. Hail, if you happen to read this: Weirdly, bing changed the way their image search results display work, somewhere between last week and 2 days back. When you click "see all images" you get the one you clicked on, you get it as the current one of the "slide show", but if you click on it there, you get to the next image, rather than opening a new tab with the one you clicked on, as before.

The reason I liked the old way is that the stand-alone tab with just the one image (not the slide show) could be ctrl-minused to get the size I wanted before editing it in Paint. I think I didn't lose so much resolution that way.

Always changing shit ...
Moderator
Wednesday - March 9th 2022 5:49AM MST
PS: Mr. Hail, I don't get "pages", per se, from the bing searches, at least with the changes they did a year or so back. When you either put "iimages" in your search OR click the "images" link after you do a search (for say, just "Canadian trucker crackdown") you get the montage like up top. Then, if you click, it turns out you get whatever particular image you clicked right on, in the montage, as part of a slide-show style thing.

I didn't want that new way, because, as usual, when they change something, they have the new way be default on. So, after a few weeks I realized that "See all images" or something like that at the bottom gets you to a page with bigger ones, but not one at a time, as before.

Another "feature" I've see everywhere that I understand but don't like, is the deal in which the more you scroll, the more things load at the bottom. (I understand, because it's about not sending ALL the data, just what the user seems to want more of. It speeds things up.) Anyway, it makes me lose my place. That's important because I see the occasional one that fits the point of my post.

What I do like, Mr. Hail, is that once you click on one, you see that link to the story. Otherwise, it's easy to get a misleading image. You may have searched for "Chinese Wuhan wet market" and get an image from Thailand or maybe the fish market in Seattle along with ones that do match.

Anyway, that all said, I don't count on getting the same results each time, even for the same search. That's why when I see one I like, I try to get to it and save it right away.

I do realize that "crackdown" might not be good wording for bing, as maybe not many pages or article titles use that word. However, I tried a lot of things to get an image or two of the Ottawa police or RCMP violent actions in breaking up this protest. It was not easy to find anything other than images similar to those in the graphic above. It definitely seemed like my search results were biased for the Canadian cops, meaning NOT including any of their violence. I should save pictures as soon as I read articles about these things.

(I guess I should have explained all this in the post (I think my original idea). rather than just the Rebel flag thing.
Moderator
Wednesday - March 9th 2022 5:35AM MST
PS: Haha "w-word". Hmmm, they've branched out from the 4 letter words while the original 4-letter words are A-OK now. I just heard a young woman on the airplane use the F one about 20 times during a conversation. She was drunk though, so there's that ...
Hail
Tuesday - March 8th 2022 6:25PM MST
PS

I get entirely different results for the same Bing Image search. The Confederate flag pic, the same one, appears to me on about the third page equivalent. (It's been found that, what, 90% of searchers never go past page 1 or equivalent of any web or image results.)
Adam Smith
Tuesday - March 8th 2022 4:43PM MST
PS: You're probably right, Mr. Blanc...

It'll be a sad day when White people start calling watermelons the “w-word”.

MBlanc46
Tuesday - March 8th 2022 3:43PM MST
PS Adam Smith: I’m pretty sure that “watermelon” is going to be on the list of proscribed words for whites any day now.
Adam Smith
Tuesday - March 8th 2022 12:49PM MST
PS: Good afternoon, Mr. Blanc,

Five exclamation points... lol...
Everyone loves fried chicken, collards, corn bread and watermelon.

So... I've been thinking about what to get Mrs. Smith for juneteenth.
(It's a big day and I want to get her something special that I know she'll love.)

Anyone know where I can get one of these?

https://i.ibb.co/vh1S2kc/vintage-black-americana-fishing-nigger.jpg

Her dad had a fishing nigger sitting on the dock at the lake. She was a bit heartbroken when someone stole it.

I think it would make the perfect juneteenth gift.

MBlanc46
Tuesday - March 8th 2022 11:27AM MST
PS Adam Smith: NAUGHTY!!!!!
Adam Smith
Tuesday - March 8th 2022 9:26AM MST
PS: Good morning, Messrs Alarmist and Moderator,

The other day my wife told me that she's going to get me a rebel flag for juneteenth...
(Don't know what I'm going to get for her...)
(I've never exchanged juneteenth presents before...)
(Fortunately, I have our menu planned. We love us some fried chicken, collards, cornbread and watermelon!)

Mr. Alarmist, “It won’t take much for NATO to get sucked into this.”
I'm afraid you're correct. (I think this has been their plan all along.)

I agree that any NATO country (Poland?) who lends jets to the Ukies, or allows them to use their airfields, or tries to engage the Russkies over the Ukraine has entered the conflict and therefore becomes a target in their own right.

Things can escalate quickly.

When I came downstairs this morning Mrs. Smith was watching the nightly news from last night. They had a segment showing U.S. troops in Latvia, near the Russian border, practicing Urban Warfare in the woods.(?) They're training to protect Latvia from Russian “aggression”. They interviewed the platoon leader (?) and he said that this Russian “aggression” is just like after 911 when we had to protect our NATO allies... (WTF?)

The people running the empire are most unreasonable, dangerously out of touch, and drunk on imperial hubris. This whole thing could have easily been avoided if not for the Maidan coup, the attacks on ethnic Russians in the east and NATO's expansion. All they had to do was guarantee Ukrianian neutrality.

If the Ukraine keeps treading down this path they may no longer be a “state”...

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/dT_W0Cs-wjs?color=white

Mr. Moderator,

“I have a memory of my Dad kicking hard some door of a government office in Washington that closed early, and he had business to do (he hated Washington, FS, almost as much as I do). Were that nowadays, he might be arrested for insurrection.”

If he were to try that nowadays, he might get shot.

Cheers to another great day, gentlemen!

The Alarmist
Tuesday - March 8th 2022 2:58AM MST
PS

Good morning, Mr. Smith.

It won’t take much for NATO to get sucked into this. Our braintrust is seriously considering green-lighting Poland giving its MiGs to the Ukies. In my book, the minute a Ukie pilot flies a MiG across the Polish-Ukie border, Poland becomes a combatant nation and runs the risk of Russkie preëmptive strikes on their airfields. “Serious People” apparently aren’t able to do serious thinking nowadays.

In addition to cutting off gas to the EU, the Russkies could also do an EMP burst over western Europe and plunge it into chaos. NATO would be less than worthless in that scenario. Our best and brightest have no idea what they are stumbling into ... or maybe they do.

Moderator
Tuesday - March 8th 2022 2:47AM MST
PS: Oh, yeah, I know they wanted to tar that protest (though we've got to get where the Rebel flag is not tarring anything - only way is for more people to fly it.) I was wondering why the software somehow made sure to include this one in the results of my search. I suppose what you're saying is that they have been publishing that one so much.

I have a memory of my Dad kicking hard some door of a government office in Washington that closed early, and he had business to do (he hated Washington, FS, almost as much as I do). Were that nowadays, he might be arrested for insurrection.
The Alarmist
Tuesday - March 8th 2022 2:38AM MST
PS

In 1975, your mimeograph machine wouldn’t do worthwhile graphics.

In 1977, for a film class I was taking as an elective (why would an engineer take a film class? The chicks, of course.), I drove overnight to DC to get some B-roll and photos of the Capital at sunrise ... Nowadays they’d probably think I was a lone wolf casing the place, but back then a citizen could climb the Capitol steps at 5am and nobody would bat an eye.

Why the rebel flag? Because TPTB want to tar that protest in the same way a protest/riot on 6 January 2021 became an “insurrection that endangered our very democracy.” Funny how it is their democracy, and the rest of us are supposed to simply go with whatever the mob decides. As Karl Denninger often writes, they don’t get to assume that 51% is enough to always have their way. In fact, the way the left behaved during the Trump years is ample evidence that the minority can have their way if they are serious about getting it.
Adam Smith
Monday - March 7th 2022 8:37PM MST
PS: Good evening, Mr. Moderator,

“Please tell me the Bush clips were an editing job.”

Yes. This clip is an editing job. (Pretty smooth though. And this was done before deep fakes existed.)

When I lived in the rust belt I had a nice summer car and a winter/everything else car...

https://cdn.dealeraccelerate.com/rkm/1/2380/156500/790x1024/w/1986-chevrolet-camaro-iroc-z-28
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/1st-Chevrolet-Cavalier-Sedan-2.jpg

Some of those rust-proof coatings help, but as you said, the rust never sleeps.
Long winters with copious amounts of road salt really destroy cars prematurely.

Moderator
Monday - March 7th 2022 8:11PM MST
PS: Thanks for the article on salt/brines on the roads, Adam. Yeah, I was thinking of downtown Seattle, but in other places it would get to the rivers and freshwater lakes.

It's bad enough working with exhaust bolts - anything that gets really hot - it seems you can't count on things like that coming off. In those salted areas, yeah, many people have a nice summer car and then a winter beater. Well, it starts nice but becomes a beater ... I know the rust-proofing at the factory has gotten a better though, but maybe that's only on the frame.

Speaking of "please tell me" (The Saker excerpt), please tell me the Bush clips were an editing job.
Adam Smith
Monday - March 7th 2022 7:31PM MST
PS: This is off topic, but...

I was reading this (about the situation in the Ukraine)...
https://thesaker.is/major-military-and-political-developments-and-major-risks-next/

The piece ends with some questions...

“I ask you this: what will NATO do next?

In fact, let me rephrase my question this way: is it at all possible that this war can end without a direct military confrontation between NATO and Russia, keeping in mind that NATO cannot win and NATO cannot accept defeat?

Sadly, I don’t think so anymore, that kind of folly is a direct consequence of the Western PSYOPs which have convinced the folks in the West of two crucial things: 1) Russia cannot win and 2) Putin is bluffing.

I think that the folks in the Pentagon are smart enough to know that this is all bull, but the Eurorodents inside NATO and the EU?

Wouldn’t a military/political defeat of NATO in Banderastan not risk bringing down NATO as an organization?

Again, please tell me that I am wrong, but I don’t see how this war can stop before Russia shows NATO that nobody in Russia is bluffing and that any NATO country dumb enough to test that will be the target of missile strikes.

So, militarily, this war is pretty much over.

The future of a min-Banderastan is impossible for me to guess.

But I am seriously concerned that this war might expand and directly involve NATO/EU countries.

And it might involve nuclear strikes by either/both sides.

So, please tell me I am wrong and that the West does still have enough brains to step back from this abyss?
Does it?

Andrei”

And for some reason I thought of this...

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/h5nCq_jMUJU?start=182&color=white

Adam Smith
Monday - March 7th 2022 3:49PM MST
PS: Hi again,

Yeah, I can't imagine a little rock salt runoff from the Seattle area would be much of a problem for Puget Sound (which contains 26.5 cubic miles of salt water), but I can see how it could an environmental hazard for a place that salts their roads more heavily through the winter and where the runoff is flowing into fresh water streams, creeks, rivers and lakes...

https://www.queensu.ca/gazette/alumnireview/stories/road-salt-bad-environment-so-why-do-we-keep-using-it

I know you don't watch much television, but there is a show on netflix that I have watched called Rust Valley Restorers. Mike has (or had, I hear he auctioned off many of his old cars) a yard full of old classic cars. (Unfortunately, they don't call it rust valley for no reason.) Many of the cars they restored on the show had some very bad rust that took a whole lot of fabricating and welding to fix. Fun show to watch though.

One of the things I hated about living in the rust belt was how hard the environment is on cars, and how many bolts get broken (and need to be drilled and otherwise f'd with) when doing even simple repairs. The rough winters and all that road salt really shortens the life of a car as they rot out so quickly.

One of the things I like about North Georgia is that it is a favorable climate for cars. I almost never bust a bolt here. (It does happen, but rarely.) There are plenty of great old cars just sitting in the woods waiting to be restored, and they are in really great condition for their age even if they have been neglected and left to rot.

Offer still stands if you'd like some help finding images for a post.

Moderator
Monday - March 7th 2022 2:07PM MST
PS: Haha, Castreau! Yeah, you're not gonna find many good classic cars from up that way. Rust never sleeps, as the man said, but you don't rub salt into the wounds.

Some cities uses sand, some salt - totally O/T, but the city of Seattle doesn't get too awful much snow and ice, but there was some controversy about salt on the roads, having nothing to do with rust. "It's gonna wash into the Sound". Yes, but the Sound is salt water! Anybody done the calculations. I think it wouldn't be hard - the number that would take some effort to get is how much salt they would plan on using for a big "event".

Nah, Adam, I appreciate all the help you give regularly, but this post was just about censorship even in images. Thanks for the offer!
Adam Smith
Monday - March 7th 2022 1:04PM MST
PS: Good afternoon, Achmed,

Not sure what kind of pictures you're looking for?
(Maybe I can help?)

This one is kinda cool...
https://cloudfront-us-east-2.images.arcpublishing.com/reuters/4DHBS2D7X5MQFAU64NGEYCS2YA.jpg

The '77 Trans Am is nice, but it's a crime to get all that road salt on it.

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