Big Biz now mandates the prescence of the unJabbed


Posted On: Monday - October 17th 2022 7:23PM MST
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Last year's stupidity:



The image above is from just over a year ago, Sept. 28th of '21, at the approximate time of max Kung Flu vaccine coercion on the American population. Big Biz, as an arm of government, was heavily involved. The image is at the top of a web page of the Ohio Chamber of Commerce website The Biden Vaccine Mandate: How to Prepare for the New Standards & Rules.*

No, I guess when you're in local government in America, as Peak Stupidity has noted before, you don't question. Instead you ask "how high, Sir?!" In this case, it'd be "how many jabs, Sir?!"

That web page is just where the image I wanted came from - it's nothing specific for this post. The following will be more personal.

During that same time period, one year ago, October 4th of '21 (just 6 days after that article linked to) Peak Stupidity related a story of a family member and his Big Biz** employer's insistence on mandatory vaccination of all employees. That included people, such as my family member, who had been working from home for a year and a half already!

In our post Just another Maskless Monday?, we related the story of this family member. An excerpt:
The FM's immediate boss was miffed by this development [his not giving in to the threat] and really, really didn't want this work to end up being done incompetently by some POS (People Of the Subcontinent?). The way out was a religious exemption, which was really no farce at all. The company came through at the last minute - OK about 4 hours from the retirement acceptance deadline.

Here's the latest thing he told me about it. The end of October is the Drop Dead date ... well, I mean it could be if you and the vaccine don't get along... shouldn't use that term, I suppose... Anyway, anyone who hasn't gotten a medical or religious exemption from the jab by then will be fired. They will also get ZERO severance pay.

OK, I'm no lawyer, so I don't know if there'll be some legal recourse on that one, but my FM's point in telling me this was to note that this CEO is being just plain mean and vindictive with that. If he's a real Believer, I can see him wanting for his employees to be "clean" in some way. No, the vaxxed still spread the same germs, maybe more of them even, and, well, my family member can't spread it though the internet - even Dr. Fauci hasn't mentioned that one yet - but, yeah, they can all feel better ... or GTFO. However, what would the severance pay have to do with it? Is it a further threat to get people to take the jab, or is it about just being a mean asshole? My FM says the latter, and that's a shame how the guy's flipped like this.
There's been a humorous aspect since that time, in which my family member was not even allowed to play ultimate frisbee or softball on the playing fields of this apparently now germ-free campus.

Well, as of about a month ago, the company has decided that it's all better now. Vaccinated or not, it's all good... The latest is that employees not only CAN come back to the office, but because one boss said they all NEED TO be there on Tuesdays and a different boss said they all need to be there on Wednesdays, they all need to be there on Tuesdays and Wednesdays.

What-the-fuck-ever! It's really Clown World out there, Big Business Clown World, in this case. Don't mind the people such as my family member's wife, who'd also been a long-term employee and up and quit rather than get jabbed, and has been working at a new job for half a year. She misses her old friends from that company is all... Heckuva job, Clownie!


PS: This was not the Kung Flu vaccine story that I meant to write about, awaiting to find out a few details. That'll come in due time. Also, if you haven't read it, for the record, here is the Peak Stupidity position paper on The Vax from just under a year back.



* If you look at the link URL, you'll notice it says "Mandatory Vaccination Programs: Can we do it and how?" I guess that was the original title of the page.

** Actually, some would call it medium sized, with well over 5,000 employees.

Comments:
Bundle Of Pretzel Rods
Wednesday - October 19th 2022 6:20PM MST
PS The Fascist State lays claim to rule in the economic field no less than in others; it makes its action felt throughout the length and breadth of the country by means of its corporate, social, and educational institutions, and all the political, economic, and spiritual forces of the nation, organised in their respective associations, circulate within the State.

Benito Mussolini
The Alarmist
Tuesday - October 18th 2022 3:57PM MST
PS

It is indeed lovely country, Dieter. A part of my family comes from Rottweil, just around the corner, though not as pretty as Titisee, where I bought a nice cuckoo clock. My mother and I passed by the Hohenzollernburg on our way to Frankfurt after visiting her cousin in Rottweil, and I said, “Let’s climb up to that castle,” which wouldn’t have been a difficult climb, but I wore sandals entirely wrong for a long walk, much less climbing 300 to 400 metres or so, but by goodness, she shamed me into climbing the entire way, and the view was entirely worth the blistering I suffered the next week or two.
Dieter Kief
Tuesday - October 18th 2022 2:39PM MST
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True, Alarmist.

That said, i want to speak the socio-psychological logical truth about Covid:

People have - via extensive media consumption like never ever before - experienced on a mass scale (many of them day in day out since decades!) that it is thrilling to  - experience to be threatened (think of World of Warcraft and the myriad of movies and TV crime & disaster films about death 'n' related stuff (suffering, torture). - And now, that they have the chance to live through such thrilling events in real life, they whole-heartedly chime(d) in! - Uuuu - iiiiieeee -- - - finally, there's really something happening here...
If only those others would not be around, who disturb our precious experience by crying out loud that it - ain't real! - Shut up you unholy disbelievers! Fascists. DEstroyers of solidarity & unity! - This is the closest we, the individuals in the lonely crowd! - have come to a pleasant and collective feeling of togetherness and - being sheltered from the icy winds of modernity and the terrible horrors of dark biolab-shenanigans - and what(k)not(ts)!! ever in our lives!!! And you are not allowed to take that away from us! - We bury the rememberings of the only times in our lives that we took part in a collective enlightening, in a shared sparkling presence of security & caring,suffering & progress!
And we will never allwow you to take these prescious moments away from and spill the acid of your sour critique over us! - Fascists - retreat!! - Apage, ananas - (German latin mix for: Fare To Hell Unholy Pineapples!!)

PS
I've been to the Northern Black Forest lately, the region where Hermann Hesse grew up in so - with his Steppenwolf: - - Entrence for the mentally distrubed only! - - Apage ananas! - Stay away, unholy pineapple-adorers. This is the realm of pure joy. Feudenstadt! Gut Lauterbad! Home of the fresh trout - two times in a row right out of the fryin' pan! And Alpirsbacher beer fresh from the tap - the beer barrel cooled by the water of the Lauterbach (=purecreek) nearby, that - steered by the ingenuity of the local wit- runs through the glorious cellar of said restaurant to keep the beer in a perfect condition - No Matter What!

Coda
If that ain't paradise, it is heaven on earth. - I'm fine either way.


The Alarmist
Tuesday - October 18th 2022 2:17PM MST
PS

Dieter, for your epistemological pleasure:

https://abirballan.substack.com/p/disarming-the-pcr-test
The Alarmist
Tuesday - October 18th 2022 1:46PM MST
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A little piece of la dolce vita died the day they stopped calling them Neggerküße and started calling them Schokoküsse.
Dieter Kief
Tuesday - October 18th 2022 1:05PM MST
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Arnie Schwarzenegger (=Schwarzneger (?!?##! - you couldn't name nobody like that anymore...Blackblack - that might work, but I'm not so sure either - but Black-N-man - - - impossible, impossible!) is no Austria Canyonshitter (Bavarian slur) anymore. Arnie is a typical Californian by now, Alarmist - this is the Great American melting pot...!
You're right, I was praphrasing this slogan (but just to make clear where it hints at: At the ban of everyday PCR-testing - according to the (great!) Great Barington Declaration guidelines (at least that's how I want this slogan to be understood (I admid that too!).
'appy day everbody!
Adam Smith
Tuesday - October 18th 2022 12:50PM MST
PS: Good afternoon, everyone,

"I’m still trying to wrap my head around how any private employer could make mandatory the taking of an experimental therapy in use only by virtue of an Experimental Use Authorization."

Me too, Mr. Alarmist. Even if it were "fully approved", even if it truly was "safe and effective"... It's no one else's business what sort of substance I choose to put in my body. I certainly object to someone mandating any sort of substance, injectable or otherwise. Since when do employers have jurisdiction over an employees bodily autonomy? (When the hell did this happen? Fine print in an employment contract?) Seems like a no brainer to me. Disappointing that so many people were seemingly ok with it.

"My point, however, is why haven’t the Slip & Fall Law industry gone after the businesses that pushed these illegal mandates and wrongfully dismissed thousands of poor souls. Those cases should be easy to make based on the news that is already admitted to, not to mention the sheer illegality of requiring experimental therapeutics to remain on the job."

I agree! I wonder if anyone will take up the challenge?

Thanks for the great comment, Dieter! Lots of info there. Looking forward to digesting it more thoroughly when I get home from work. Cheers!

"But 85% of the people are in favor of ..."

In a constitutional republic the minority is (or well, used to be) protected from the insanity of the majority. Would be a dangerous world where the majority could vote to strip rights from someone. My rights are not up for discussion let alone a vote.

Thanks guys! See you later. ☮
The Alarmist
Tuesday - October 18th 2022 12:41PM MST
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Typical Austrian, that Verminator dude.

BTW, isn’t it “Stick your incidence rate up your ass?”
Dieter Kief
Tuesday - October 18th 2022 12:28PM MST
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PS
Alarmist & Mod. - What would be the consequences if your analysis were spot on: US lawyers have given up on making big bucks.
Huh? - And why so?

Here is why:

https://twitter.com/epidemiologin/status/1582077354226032640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Is Arnie Schwartzenegger part of the Pfizer-universe? I don't know. But that does not matter - he
is definitely part of the Covid panic.

And here is something rather optimistic - from Germany

It says: PCR test-results and real Covid cases are - disjunct (not related)by now. Accept that, covid panickers. Because i's a proven fact beyond any reasonable doubt by now.
So: Forget about PCR testing (= do as the GBDeclaration said - because it is right:
No PCR testing outside of the clinical realm. Test severely ill persons to make sure you don't overlook a Covid case - and let it be good with that measure, for heavens' sake.

https://twitter.com/HennaCloud/status/1582309786414387200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

( - - - the a tiny little bit gross slogan in the rear window of the black MB SUV in the tunnel of the Munich Ring-autobahn in the video linked above reads: Stick Your PCR Tests Up Your Ass)
The Alarmist
Tuesday - October 18th 2022 9:41AM MST
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The law is clear. EUA items cannot be mandated, even for the military. In legal terms, Zhao Bai Den’s EO was ultra vires, but the force of Cabal is strong, as nobody except for a could lawyers for service members pulled on that string. One military member’s challenge was upheld precisely because the services did not have actual stocks of the FDA approved Comirnaty and were instead using the EUA product. Mysteriously, vials labled as Comirnaty started appearing in DoD clinics even though the approved product was not released in the US market.

In any case, for the rest of the US, FDA approved Comirnaty was never available, and would not be available until it qualified for the child vaxx schedule, thus securing liability shield for the approved product, which is not shielded by the EUA stocks, so every single employer mandate within the USA was void and unenforceable ... if only someone had mounted a thoughtful and well reasoned strategy.
Moderator
Tuesday - October 18th 2022 9:27AM MST
PS: Yeah, I didn't address that well, Alarmist. Why not sue the companies like my family member's one for wrongful termination? (His wife just resigned but I'm not sure why she didn't take it to the brink - letting them fire her would have been more important were there a class-action suit, but resignation is better for the resume. OTOH, I've regretted NOT burning "burning bridges" myself before.)

I'm guessing these outfits will simply say that "we had no choice but to require the vax, as we have more than 100 employees [remember that part of it?], and it's the law... out of our hands!" What happens then? I'm no lawyer, and I don't even want to play on on TV.
The Alarmist
Tuesday - October 18th 2022 8:04AM MST
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Big Pharma has secured some degree of immunity, so lawyers looking to go after them must prove fraud, which they are close to doing. But Big Pharma seems to own Big Govt even more than the MICIMATT, so good luck with that.

My point, however, is why haven’t the Slip & Fall Law industry gone after the busunesses that pushed these illegal mandates and wrongfully dismissed thousands of poor souls. Those cases should be easy to make based on the news that is already admitted to, not to mention the sheer illegality of requiring experimental therapeutics to remain on the job.
Moderator
Tuesday - October 18th 2022 5:30AM MST
PS: From the end of Mr. Kief's comment:
"One more remark to The Alarmist's thought above:
The law does not work, if a public sphere is dominated by a certain thought. Covid led to thebelieve of the majority, that a huge danger had to be fought off - and in such cases, the law (=the courts) tend to simply go along with the majority. (This is a fact, that most people neglect most of the time, not least, because they think that juridical insights would be a stand alone thing - like the sentence 3 x 3 equals nine. - But this is wrong."

That's one thing about having a solid "Law of the Land" Constitution, IF, and big IF, there are enough principled men (yes, it's probably got to be high-majority men) around who understand that it's the final say. "But 85% of the people are in favor of ..." "It's not Constitutional, so NO, you can't do that. PERIOD."
Moderator
Tuesday - October 18th 2022 5:26AM MST
PS: I also wonder why the big lawyers that made so much money off of tobacco have not gotten in on this, Alarmist. Is it because they would be on the opposite side from the Regime this time? (In the case of tobacco, nanny government was "against tobacco", and I guess R.J. Reynolds and them didn't have enough clout.I guess Pfizer does - see even going back to Kelo v New London.)

Mr. Smith wrote: "Why would the unvaxxed return to work for companies that were so heavy handed (and out of line) with their vaxx mandates just a year ago? Are these people supposed to forgive and forget the horrible/criminal behavior of these HR people, managers and CEO's like the above mentioned guy?"

Employees have a lot of options right now. Still, sometimes, as with another family member, the Big Biz employer is about the only game in town for some. As for the family member in question - this post - he was ready to tell them to go screw (as his wife did). He got used to working from home, but coming in gives him a chance to see a bunch of colleagues in person.

Either way, those of us who resisted the vax got our way, as far as the main point - not getting it. Schools were the big worry, but then, our State is nothing like California. Then too, the whole thing has subsided, as maybe there are people that ARE worried about lawsuits and such.
Dieter Kief
Tuesday - October 18th 2022 2:09AM MST
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PS
The Alarmist (1) and Adam Smith (2) wrote:

1) "I’m still trying to wrap my head around how any private employer could make mandatory the taking of an experimental therapy in use only by virtue of an Experimental Use Authorization."

2) "Is it the difficulty in proving that someone who died was vaxx damaged and didn't merely suffer sudden onset death syndrome? Is it the liability free status the clot shots enjoy?"

No. 2) First, because this is more concrete stuff.
Prominent German pathologists did try to do just that: Show the damages done by the vaccines. Result: Not really convincing efforts: In the case of Professor Klaus Püschel, but also in the case of Professor Peter Schirrmacher from Heidelberg University. Prof. Schirrmacher got a well funded research project going over a yera ago now. The corageous man was sure that he could prove damage. But - until now, he has presented nothing but very weak findings.

The problem is indeed, as Adam Smith wrote, the causation aspect of the vaccination damage. They seem to have a very hard time getting to grips with this.

The more reluctant approach is the one of Christine Stabell-Benn, the Danish post-vaccination researcher for two decades. A very rare bird as such, btw.
Professor Stabell-Benn's approach is very different from Schirrmacher's and Püschel's- and much (!) more effective in real world influence too.
Now: To tell you not only European stories: Florida .f.o.l.l.o.w.e.d. Denmark in restricting the vaccination to those above 40 years (Denmark: No vaccination below 50 years any more). - Since Martin Kulldorff is an adviser to the DeSantis government, it is of interest here that Kulldorff too follows the rather cautious but solid (=fact-based) vaccination critique of Christine Stabell-Benn, whom he obviously follows when advising the Floridian government.
See his article about Stabell-Benn's work at the Brownstone Institute's website - oh: I've linked this stuff in June on Mr. Hail's website...

This is Christine Stabell-Benns paper:

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4072489

This is an excellent summary (five minute read - very clear!) of Stabbell-Benns findings by Martin Kulldorff

https://brownstone.org/articles/have-people-been-given-the-wrong-vaccine/

This interview with her is quite accessible for lay-people too, methinks. Here Stabell-Benn says, do .v.a.c.c.i.n.a.t.e. .o.n.l.y. those at high risk (= multimoribund and older than 75) because there'd be clear .d.a.n.g.e.r .s.i.g.n.a.ls. coming from the vaccinations, affecting highly the risk-benefit aspect of the Covid-vaccines.

https://unherd.com/thepost/study-into-mrna/

But - as I said: Other than the prominent pathologist's Covid-attacks, Stabell Benn's critique holds up very well. Here is Stuart Rictchie - a bright young Sottish psychologist ("Science Fictions", 2021) and his critique of the vaccine-critics, which Stabell-Benn answered yesterday on twitter quite straightforwardly...  Here is Ritchies critique of the vaccination critics

https://capx.co/the-covid-transmission-truthers-are-peddling-a-nonsense-narrative/

And here is Stabell-Benns response:
to @DieterKief
The discussion was whether vaccines interrupt transmission. The data referred to in the article (of Stuart Ritchie, dk) shows that they don't. None of the studies are perfect, but they all show that vaccinated transmit. The risk may have been temporarily smaller for Delta, but the effect waned quickly.

I'm not .q.u.i.t.e. sure yet, if her extra dry response to Ritchie serves its purpose absolutely well. But I'd say that much already: In the framework of her work Stuart Ritchie's seemingly well made attack does not achieve much, because even his point of view is a) depotentialised now
that Omicron has arrived and - Stuart Ritchie himself does not mention vaccination mandates in his article with one word. And I too think - with Stabell-Benn - and
Mr. .A.l.a.r.m.i.s.t.,
that this is a crucial point indeed.

Btw. things are complex: Sweden got along very well without vaccination mandates. - And the Swedes still have a very high vaccination rate with overall still the best Covid outcome.

One more remark to  The Alarmist's thought above:
The  law does not work, if a public sphere is dominated by a certain thought. Covid led to thebelieve of the majority, that a huge danger had to be fought off - and in such cases, the law (=the courts) tend to simply go along with the majority. (This is a fact, that most people neglect most of the time, not least, because they think that juridical insights would be a stand alone thing - like the sentence 3 x 3 equals nine. - But this is wrong.
Adam Smith
Monday - October 17th 2022 10:43PM MST
PS: Good evening, Achmed, Mr. Alarmist, and friends...

Why would the unvaxxed return to work for companies that were so heavy handed (and out of line) with their vaxx mandates just a year ago? Are these people supposed to forgive and forget the horrible/criminal behavior of these HR people, managers and CEO's like the above mentioned guy?

Also...

I'm a bit surprised that none of the major Slip & Fall law firms like Morgan & Morgan have taken up the vaxx damaged issue for those injured by an injection they were coerced into taking. Or by the families of those who died shortly after their injection. Is it just a bit too soon? Is it the difficulty in proving that someone who died was vaxx damaged and didn't merely suffer sudden onset death syndrome? Is it the liability free status the clot shots enjoy? Would they have to go through the vaxx court (the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program) before they could sue in U.S. courts? Is there no money to be made here?

Morgan & Morgan Joins Zostavax Lawsuit Steering Committee

Merck & Co. is battling lawsuits once again after its Zostavax shingles vaccine caused blindness, paralysis, brain damage, liver failure, and even death.

https://www.classaction.com/zostavax/lawsuit/

Merck Fights 'Unprecedented' Move to Boost Injury Claims Over HPV Vaccine

https://www.law.com/2022/06/02/merck-fights-unprecedented-move-to-boost-injury-claims-over-hpv-vaccine/?slreturn=20220918004944

The Alarmist
Monday - October 17th 2022 8:21PM MST
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I’m still trying to wrap my head around how any private employer could make mandatory the taking of an experimental therapy in use only by virtue of an Experimental Use Authorization.

It’s even harder to believe that none of the major Slip & Fall law firms like Morgan & Morgan haven’t taken up the issue for the huge numbers of wrongfully dismissed.

Oh well, at least there’s this:

“Florida company ordered to pay $73,000 after it fired a remote employee who refused to keep his webcam on all day”

https://www.businessinsider.com/remote-worker-owed-73000-fired-for-refusing-turn-on-webcam-2022-10?op=1
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