Posted On: Friday - November 4th 2022 7:29AM MST
In Topics: History Media Stupidity Liberty/Libertarianism Kung Flu Stupidity Totalitarianism
Above is the title of an Atlantic magazine article that is said to be from a whole issue of that monthly magazine on the same subject. That subject would be forgiveness for all the stupidity and people associated therewith of the 2 year-long devastating Kung Flu PanicFest. That last term is important. The Covid-19 was not devastating in and of itself. The PanicFest that was made from it was devastating to liberty, economies, and civilization around the world.
I strongly resist reading ANYTHING from that ctrl-left rag of a magazine*, but a link got me to this one: LET’S DECLARE A PANDEMIC AMNESTY by one Emily Oster. Yes, rather than being taken seriously, this article would be better put in the Osterizer - I'm guessing the writer has heard that one before.
Readers, and, I think most especially, the blogger E.H. Hail, would appreciate a thorough, errr, not fisking, per se, as that's too easygoing, but how about an evisceration of the advice Mrs. Oster deigns to give her readers. Look here** on Mr. Hail's Hail to You site for his large compendium of posts on the PanicFest. He may want to write a post on this very article, or others from that Atlantic issue, himself - just a friendly suggestion!
Let me say first that, though she is a Professor at Brown University (yeah, I know!) and an economist (yeah, I know!), Mrs. Oster (married for 16 years with 2 kids) has written some interesting stuff and is NOT particularly a Panicker as judged from her record. She's written a lot about parenting, including best-selling books. Interestingly, as related to current politics and vaccines, I read this from Wiki:
Oster published a dissertation for her economics Ph.D. from Harvard University, which suggested that the unusually high ratio of men to women in China was partially due to the effects of the hepatitis B virus. "Hepatitis B and the Case of the Missing Women," pointed to findings that suggested areas with high hepatitis B rates tended to have higher male-to female birth ratios. Oster argued that the fact that hepatitis B can cause a woman to conceive male children more often than female, accounted for a bulk of the "missing women" in Amartya Sen's 1990 essay, "More Than 100 Million Women Are Missing." Oster noted that the use of hepatitis B vaccine in 1982 led to a sharp decline in the male-to-female birth ratio. Sen's essay had attributed the "missing women" to societal discrimination against girls and women in the form of the allocation of health, educational, and food resources. In April 2008, Oster released a working paper "Hepatitis B Does Not Explain Male-Biased Sex Ratios in China" in which she evaluated new data, which showed that her original research was incorrect. Freakonomics author Steven Levitt saw this as a sign of integrity.Yes, that shows integrity. It also shows that she was wrong in her PhD dissertation. People who make mistakes need forgiveness, right? Well, let's get to the article, as that's where I got dis-enamored by Emily Oster. The very first paragraph had me already pissed off at this lady, with the memories of this bullshit flooding back in...
In April 2020, with nothing else to do, my family took an enormous number of hikes. We all wore cloth masks that I had made myself. We had a family hand signal, which the person in the front would use if someone was approaching on the trail and we needed to put on our masks. Once, when another child got too close to my then-4-year-old son on a bridge, he yelled at her “SOCIAL DISTANCING!”That's it, you or your husband, or both, were turning your toddler into a panicky freak. As I'm sure the author would know from her (probably pretty good) writing on parenting, the little ones take after the parents a lot. So, they had their little boy trained to yell at a little girl based on garbage they "learned" from the government. Nice!!
These precautions were totally misguided. In April 2020, no one got the coronavirus from passing someone else hiking. Outdoor transmission was vanishingly rare. Our cloth masks made out of old bandanas wouldn’t have done anything, anyway. But the thing is: We didn’t know.You didn't know, but those of us with common sense did!. As a matter of fact, I like hiking too, and we made it into the Olympic Mountains during that time. (Some idiots wore masks, we didn't, and I made no effort to get out of their way - 100 ft drop off into the fir trees or a chance of the Kung Flu, the choice is up to you!) I might have thought they were stupid, but I never minded people wearing medical face masks, Bazooka Joe style bandanas, or whatever. What I minded was people telling ME that I had to do this, in the woods or anywhere else.
[My bold to replace italics in the original.]
I have been reflecting on this lack of knowledge thanks to a class I’m co-teaching at Brown University on COVID. We’ve spent several lectures reliving the first year of the pandemic, discussing the many important choices we had to make under conditions of tremendous uncertainty.Oh, Lordy! I really hope it's an elective, for the sake of the students trying to keep a good record. Mrs. Oster brings up this "uncertainty" and lack of knowledge about the Covid-19 a lot. That "we didn't know" was not the problem. To paraphrase the great Ronnie, it wasn't so much that the EXPERTS with their mandatory policies were ignorant, it's that they KNEW so many things that weren't so.
The writer then describes her position on the closing of the government schools (and they closed ALL other schools too). Her position was that they were closed for too long and that the children were not very vulnerable to the Kung Flu. OK, great, but that implies that she believes it was up to authorities to decide this closing and opening, and they just went too far. Bull! They went too far when they made these decisions FOR US in the first place. That's especially the case with those ALL other (non-government) schools, and churches, and clubs, and businesses of all kinds. It's not a matter of "not enough knowledge" and "uncertainty", and "we didn't know". It's a matter of the rights of the people being trampled, whatever you know or don't. They were trampled. I'm not forgiving that shit.
Another example: When the vaccines came out, we lacked definitive data on the relative efficacies of the Johnson & Johnson shot versus the mRNA options from Pfizer and Moderna. The mRNA vaccines have won out. But at the time, many people in public health were either neutral or expressed a J&J preference. This misstep wasn’t nefarious. It was the result of uncertainty.The whole damned vaccine program was nefarious. It was nefarious because it was made mandatory. The only reason we didn't all get jabbed by these "missteps" is that the people started resisting. The forces that tried to coerce Covid vaccines on the public eventually gave up.
Remember when the public-health community had to spend a lot of time and resources urging Americans not to inject themselves with bleach? That was bad. Misinformation was, and remains, a huge problem. But most errors were made by people who were working in earnest for the good of society.First of all, don't be dissing Clorox. Clorox has electrolytes - it's what antibodies crave. Yeah, 2 years of back-and-forth misinformation has Americans much less trusting in the whole medical establishment. (That's a good thing, BTW.) On the "working in earnest" part, there's that thing about the road to hell being paved with good intentions.
The people who got it right, for whatever reason, may want to gloat.Nope, we don't want to gloat. We want the people responsible for trampling Americans' rights pushed into ditches and buried so this doesn't happen again.
We have to put these fights aside and declare a pandemic amnesty. We can leave out the willful purveyors of actual misinformation while forgiving the hard calls that people had no choice but to make with imperfect knowledge. Los Angeles County closed its beaches in summer 2020. Ex post facto, this makes no more sense than my family’s masked hiking trips. But we need to learn from our mistakes and then let them go. We need to forgive the attacks, too.This woman will NEVER get it. Precedents in Totalitarianism have been set. Do we want to forget that? Do we want to forget those responsible? Do we want to forgive all those who let it all happen, like Mrs. Oster, with her quibbling only about the timetable?
These control freaks shouldn't be in the same country with us. They have no understanding of liberty and the rights of the people. The useful idiots of the PanicFest like Mrs. Oster would have no idea why I don't want her in the same country. As for the actual Totalitarians that implemented the PanicFest, well, let me ask these Atlantic writers, did the Romanians forgive and forget about Nicolae Ceaușescu?
* Though I am thankful for the entertainment coming from Steve Sailer posts taken from articles therein.
** There are only 11 posts of his on that first page, so you will need to click the [Older Posts] button to get to his long series - maybe 15-18 posts, as I recall, that are in his specific "Corona Panic" series. He's been on top of this since the beginning.
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hi_from_germany
Monday - November 7th 2022 8:38PM MST
PSalm xyz says something i don't know but i just hate that PS
Hate that idiot (m/f/d) that had written this amnesty too. Is there more of self-righteousness thinkable? When heshethem hungers for the next decade and sleep under a bridge in her own pi.s we can talk about. And yes it is that hard.
Hate that idiot (m/f/d) that had written this amnesty too. Is there more of self-righteousness thinkable? When heshethem hungers for the next decade and sleep under a bridge in her own pi.s we can talk about. And yes it is that hard.
The Alarmist
Monday - November 7th 2022 1:12PM MST
PS
My two elderly aunts tried to tell me and my unvaxxed siblings that we were not allowed to come to our mother’s funeral in mid-2021 if we wouldn’t accept the vaxxes. I told them they were told they were free to come, but not calling the shots on who could come and what protocols would be followed.
They felt so strongly about it that they stayed away. This summer (2022) the suggested we all get together for an outdoors-only get together to spread her ashes, which was, I guess, their idea of a COVID amnesty on their terms, so I politely told them no.
What I wanted to say to them and pretty much every COVIDIAN is to FOAGDIAF for daring to “other” me. What really frosts me is that these two were big-time peace and love ‘60s activists, that same ones who told us growing up to be careful about trusting “the man.”
My two elderly aunts tried to tell me and my unvaxxed siblings that we were not allowed to come to our mother’s funeral in mid-2021 if we wouldn’t accept the vaxxes. I told them they were told they were free to come, but not calling the shots on who could come and what protocols would be followed.
They felt so strongly about it that they stayed away. This summer (2022) the suggested we all get together for an outdoors-only get together to spread her ashes, which was, I guess, their idea of a COVID amnesty on their terms, so I politely told them no.
What I wanted to say to them and pretty much every COVIDIAN is to FOAGDIAF for daring to “other” me. What really frosts me is that these two were big-time peace and love ‘60s activists, that same ones who told us growing up to be careful about trusting “the man.”
Adam Smith
Monday - November 7th 2022 10:09AM MST
PS: Good morning, everyone,
Mr. Ganderson, "are they stupid, or lying?" - Why not both?
I'd imagine places like Trader Joe’s and Whole Foods would have more mask-ites than the average kroger, ingles or walmart (or whatever grocery stores you have in the 413). Something about the clientele. Mrs. Smith had an appointment with her doctor last week, and the internet check-in said something about "masks required", so she brought one with her. When she went in, no one was masked, so she asked the receptionist about it who said "oh no, we're done with that nonsense". I'm glad everyone around here has moved on from the hygiene theater. I do see the occasional face diaper in the store, but it's pretty rare. Hope you have a great day!
Mr. Moderator, Thanks. I've been thinking about putting together a proper Daily Stupid soon. Just kicking around some headline ideas. The last one had 13 "stories" so I'll have to come up with a few more or make the "stories" a little longer or the pictures a little larger or something.
"last I heard then - that foreigners have to wear face masks around in public, while Japanese people don't."
I read something a short while back, (I think it was on lewrockwell) from a white guy living in Japan. It was along the lines of when in Japan do as the Japanese, essentially bitching about tourists who don't wear masks. Evidently, as this guy tells it, pretty much everyone in his part of Japan (Tokyo?) wears a face diaper when out of the house (the exception being dog walkers). So it sounds like Japanese people are all on board with the face diaper thing. (You don't have to force people to do something they are comfortable doing.)
Regarding my forgiveness or lack thereof, yeah, I don't care about a dirty look from a stranger or some kid just doing their job. They can shun me all they like. In Dr. Wolf's article she mentioned some close friends, neighbors and family who she had a falling out with over the vaxxes. I can see how someone close treating you like a dirty leper for not taking the clot shot could put a real strain on a relationship. I can understand why she has chosen to forgive those who have not asked for forgiveness, but these people really do owe her an apology. I'm glad I didn't go through anything like that with my friends or family.
I too really don't care about the stickers on the floor, I'm just thankful for the plexiglass that kept us all safe. ;-}
Hope you all have a great day! ☮
Mr. Ganderson, "are they stupid, or lying?" - Why not both?
I'd imagine places like Trader Joe’s and Whole Foods would have more mask-ites than the average kroger, ingles or walmart (or whatever grocery stores you have in the 413). Something about the clientele. Mrs. Smith had an appointment with her doctor last week, and the internet check-in said something about "masks required", so she brought one with her. When she went in, no one was masked, so she asked the receptionist about it who said "oh no, we're done with that nonsense". I'm glad everyone around here has moved on from the hygiene theater. I do see the occasional face diaper in the store, but it's pretty rare. Hope you have a great day!
Mr. Moderator, Thanks. I've been thinking about putting together a proper Daily Stupid soon. Just kicking around some headline ideas. The last one had 13 "stories" so I'll have to come up with a few more or make the "stories" a little longer or the pictures a little larger or something.
"last I heard then - that foreigners have to wear face masks around in public, while Japanese people don't."
I read something a short while back, (I think it was on lewrockwell) from a white guy living in Japan. It was along the lines of when in Japan do as the Japanese, essentially bitching about tourists who don't wear masks. Evidently, as this guy tells it, pretty much everyone in his part of Japan (Tokyo?) wears a face diaper when out of the house (the exception being dog walkers). So it sounds like Japanese people are all on board with the face diaper thing. (You don't have to force people to do something they are comfortable doing.)
Regarding my forgiveness or lack thereof, yeah, I don't care about a dirty look from a stranger or some kid just doing their job. They can shun me all they like. In Dr. Wolf's article she mentioned some close friends, neighbors and family who she had a falling out with over the vaxxes. I can see how someone close treating you like a dirty leper for not taking the clot shot could put a real strain on a relationship. I can understand why she has chosen to forgive those who have not asked for forgiveness, but these people really do owe her an apology. I'm glad I didn't go through anything like that with my friends or family.
I too really don't care about the stickers on the floor, I'm just thankful for the plexiglass that kept us all safe. ;-}
Hope you all have a great day! ☮
Ganderson
Monday - November 7th 2022 8:00AM MST
PS
Scattergunning from the catbird seat:*
Remember Mr. Blanc, no one who goes to Harvard says Hahvahd, except for a few hockey players from places like Malden, West Roxbury or Charlestown.
I’m just a dumb high school teacher- and I knew the Covid mania was nonsense by the end of the “two weeks to flatten the curve” period in 2020.
I took two of the jabs to keep peace in the household, and to be able to see my grandson. I’m not taking any more. When they first floated the vaccines I knew they were over promised- first of all what vax for anything is 100%, and, oh yeah, they’ve never come up with a vax for a Corona virus. I began to lapse into Adam Corolla’s dichotomy; are they stupid, or lying? Still undecided, leaning towards “the elites are lying, and the followers are stupid”. Many of the maskers around here are true believers- Mr. Hail’s suggestion that Covid belief is primarily religious is a good one, I think.
And I know I’ve made this point before on this very thread, but the panic’s not over here in the 413. Lots of mask wearing; my unofficial observations suggest a 20% uptick in the last month or so. If you wanna see the mask-ites go to Trader Joe’s or Whole Foods here in the Pioneer Valley; 100% of the Orientals are masked up, no surprise there, about 15-20% of the women, and maybe 10% of the men- mostly guys with Birkenstocks and pony tails, as you can imagine.
Some school districts are still requiring masks; our local prestigious SPLAC has a goofy rule that if ONE kid in a class wears a mask, all must. And… clot shot booster ads are everywhere: on the radio during Howie Carr’s program (Howie’s an anti panicker’s anti panicker.), during sportsball matches (wedged between the ads featuring black guys going hunting and fishing), on billboards, etc .
Oh, and we’re going to elect an angry lesbian to take Charlie “Parker’s” place as governor.
I should mention that I have not been personally too majorly inconvenienced by all this- the exception being I didn’t play hockey for two years- the rink where we play was closed for year one of the Coronapalooza, and while open the second year we were required to wear masks while playing. I’m not wearing one playing a fast paced (even as slow as we old codgers are) sport. Returning to the ice after two years away has been difficult at my age!
* Scattergunning from the catbird seat: is phrase stolen from the late St. Paul Pioneer Press sportswriter Don “The Eye” Riley; who despite being a graduate of Theodore Roosevelt High School in South Minneapolis, was a booster of all things St. Paul.
Riley had a mostly amusing column called “the Eye Opener”, and his miscellany columns usually began with “Scattergunning from the catbird seat:”
Scattergunning from the catbird seat:*
Remember Mr. Blanc, no one who goes to Harvard says Hahvahd, except for a few hockey players from places like Malden, West Roxbury or Charlestown.
I’m just a dumb high school teacher- and I knew the Covid mania was nonsense by the end of the “two weeks to flatten the curve” period in 2020.
I took two of the jabs to keep peace in the household, and to be able to see my grandson. I’m not taking any more. When they first floated the vaccines I knew they were over promised- first of all what vax for anything is 100%, and, oh yeah, they’ve never come up with a vax for a Corona virus. I began to lapse into Adam Corolla’s dichotomy; are they stupid, or lying? Still undecided, leaning towards “the elites are lying, and the followers are stupid”. Many of the maskers around here are true believers- Mr. Hail’s suggestion that Covid belief is primarily religious is a good one, I think.
And I know I’ve made this point before on this very thread, but the panic’s not over here in the 413. Lots of mask wearing; my unofficial observations suggest a 20% uptick in the last month or so. If you wanna see the mask-ites go to Trader Joe’s or Whole Foods here in the Pioneer Valley; 100% of the Orientals are masked up, no surprise there, about 15-20% of the women, and maybe 10% of the men- mostly guys with Birkenstocks and pony tails, as you can imagine.
Some school districts are still requiring masks; our local prestigious SPLAC has a goofy rule that if ONE kid in a class wears a mask, all must. And… clot shot booster ads are everywhere: on the radio during Howie Carr’s program (Howie’s an anti panicker’s anti panicker.), during sportsball matches (wedged between the ads featuring black guys going hunting and fishing), on billboards, etc .
Oh, and we’re going to elect an angry lesbian to take Charlie “Parker’s” place as governor.
I should mention that I have not been personally too majorly inconvenienced by all this- the exception being I didn’t play hockey for two years- the rink where we play was closed for year one of the Coronapalooza, and while open the second year we were required to wear masks while playing. I’m not wearing one playing a fast paced (even as slow as we old codgers are) sport. Returning to the ice after two years away has been difficult at my age!
* Scattergunning from the catbird seat: is phrase stolen from the late St. Paul Pioneer Press sportswriter Don “The Eye” Riley; who despite being a graduate of Theodore Roosevelt High School in South Minneapolis, was a booster of all things St. Paul.
Riley had a mostly amusing column called “the Eye Opener”, and his miscellany columns usually began with “Scattergunning from the catbird seat:”
The Alarmist
Sunday - November 6th 2022 9:32PM MST
PS
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Cabal is up to something by pitting a number of high-profile blacks against the Jews. Two birds with one stone?
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Cabal is up to something by pitting a number of high-profile blacks against the Jews. Two birds with one stone?
Moderator
Sunday - November 6th 2022 8:38PM MST
PS: Peter, yes, most of that was common sense ideas understood by people with that elusive common sense, not too pervasive around Brown University, unfortunately. If PhD Emily Oster got it ALL wrong, that shouldn't have bothered me. However, the pressure from people who knew it all, but later didn't, to prevent people from exercising common sense is what's unforgivable.
I still remember Steve Sailer going on about the ventilators, how we can get more mask shipments, etc. I thought he was going overboard very early on, but it was only the posts that read "We must..." as in "America...", not Americans, "must..." do this or that or "This is what the rules ought to be on this..." that pissed me off. He dropped all vestiges of his belief in liberty right there. (Not that he's a Libertarian to begin with, but I already knew that.)
I still remember Steve Sailer going on about the ventilators, how we can get more mask shipments, etc. I thought he was going overboard very early on, but it was only the posts that read "We must..." as in "America...", not Americans, "must..." do this or that or "This is what the rules ought to be on this..." that pissed me off. He dropped all vestiges of his belief in liberty right there. (Not that he's a Libertarian to begin with, but I already knew that.)
Moderator
Sunday - November 6th 2022 8:32PM MST
PS: Adam, I liked your 3 meme links, but I like your own Daily Stupid even more. I hope you will have a chance to put it into newspaper format with a tiny url for us (If it kinda fits, maybe in two front pages, it'd be great for a couple of posts). Comedic genius, I say!
As for Jewish control, well, that does explain a bunch, but on the PanicFest not everyone - not the Orient (China is where it started, but it's also the place where this PanicFest has been completely restarted, with gusto.) Japan too, has been kinda stupid on this. I wrote a while back - last I heard then - that foreigners have to wear face masks around in public, while Japanese people don't.
Finally, regarding your forgiveness or lack thereof, of the people who were shunning nonPanickers, giving them verbal insults, etc ... One think I wanted to write in a post is that this is the stuff that didn't bother me as much as the actual rules. You want to give me a nasty look at the grocery store for not masking up? I don't care. If you call the cops, well that would be what I won't forgive. (Never happened, luckily)
You want to put your stupid stickers on the floor of the elevator and in the grocery store parking lot? I don't care, so long as you don't actually enforce it when I ignore it all.
The closest I came to an actual fight was inside this one coffee shop, when the owner (I think) said I had to wear a mask between the time I got up from the table and walked 6 ft to get my hot chocolate (I was only at that place, a bunch of ctrl-left Millennials running it, due to my friends' wanting to be there). What got that manager going was my remark about the "retardedness of it all" or something like that. Fighting words? Maybe so, but then he could have ignored me, as I didn't put the mask on for that 6 foot trek.
As for Jewish control, well, that does explain a bunch, but on the PanicFest not everyone - not the Orient (China is where it started, but it's also the place where this PanicFest has been completely restarted, with gusto.) Japan too, has been kinda stupid on this. I wrote a while back - last I heard then - that foreigners have to wear face masks around in public, while Japanese people don't.
Finally, regarding your forgiveness or lack thereof, of the people who were shunning nonPanickers, giving them verbal insults, etc ... One think I wanted to write in a post is that this is the stuff that didn't bother me as much as the actual rules. You want to give me a nasty look at the grocery store for not masking up? I don't care. If you call the cops, well that would be what I won't forgive. (Never happened, luckily)
You want to put your stupid stickers on the floor of the elevator and in the grocery store parking lot? I don't care, so long as you don't actually enforce it when I ignore it all.
The closest I came to an actual fight was inside this one coffee shop, when the owner (I think) said I had to wear a mask between the time I got up from the table and walked 6 ft to get my hot chocolate (I was only at that place, a bunch of ctrl-left Millennials running it, due to my friends' wanting to be there). What got that manager going was my remark about the "retardedness of it all" or something like that. Fighting words? Maybe so, but then he could have ignored me, as I didn't put the mask on for that 6 foot trek.
PeterIke
Sunday - November 6th 2022 6:31PM MST
PS
Dear Mz Oster, gimme a friggin break. I knew by May 2020 that Covid was a nothing burger. I knew masks were a joke, social distancing a bigger joke. I knew that Vitamin D supplements would have saved lives. Later I knew Ivermectin and HCQ made sense and were totally safe, and banning them was criminal. I knew before the vax was released that it wasn’t going to work and indeed couldn’t work. I knew very early on the vax was terribly dangerous and I knew why.
Where the hell were you? I’m no big shot Brown professor. I’m a nobody with a day job that keeps me busy, but I got EVERYTHING right while a trillion dollar healthcare establishment made fools of themselves and wallowed in corruption
So F you Mz Oster. You’re a fool and a rube. And no, I don’t forgive any of you. And I’d happily participate in a firing squad to send the worst of you (not you) to hell.
Dear Mz Oster, gimme a friggin break. I knew by May 2020 that Covid was a nothing burger. I knew masks were a joke, social distancing a bigger joke. I knew that Vitamin D supplements would have saved lives. Later I knew Ivermectin and HCQ made sense and were totally safe, and banning them was criminal. I knew before the vax was released that it wasn’t going to work and indeed couldn’t work. I knew very early on the vax was terribly dangerous and I knew why.
Where the hell were you? I’m no big shot Brown professor. I’m a nobody with a day job that keeps me busy, but I got EVERYTHING right while a trillion dollar healthcare establishment made fools of themselves and wallowed in corruption
So F you Mz Oster. You’re a fool and a rube. And no, I don’t forgive any of you. And I’d happily participate in a firing squad to send the worst of you (not you) to hell.
The Daily Stupid
Sunday - November 6th 2022 5:01PM MST
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• New Monument Honors White Service Members
“The fact is White Americans have always been an integral part of US military even though they were not always recognized for their service.” Brenda Moore, a sociology professor at the University at Buffalo, said at the dedication ceremony.
“This monument gives us an opportunity to not only commemorate, but also to educate ourselves and future generations about the contributions and sacrifices White Americans have made to the American ideals of freedom, liberty and justice, not just for some, but for all.”
• Kanye West agrees to settle with Floyd family for $10M; will pay with counterfeit twenties
• Louisiana man whose skin turned black from antidepressants is offered full ride to Harvard
• Kevin Spacey Acquitted “I fondle boys because my dad was a Neo-Nazi” defense totally worked!
• Not To Be Outdone By Lizzo, Beyoncé Performs Concert Wearing George Washington's Teeth
• Alarming new study shows that millions of vaccinated men are unable to get pregnant
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Adam Smith
Sunday - November 6th 2022 4:44PM MST
PS: Good evening, everyone,
Mr. Hail, Lol...
While I am not a Seventh-Day Adventist I do consider Saturday to be the sabbath. (I think everyone needs at least one day a week where they can relax and not worry about work.) Like the Pirate's Code, it's more of a guideline than a rule, and I take enough time off that I really don't have to worry about breaking the sabbath.
"The Jews among themselves do have a general belief in their Right To Rule over others..."
Easy with the antisemitism, Mr. Hail. The Holy Holocaust people have always had the Right To Conquest. (Joking aside...)
Jewish Power is the power to deny that Jewish Power exists and to prevent anyone who suggests that Jewish Power does exist from ever doing business again. Because, as we all know, Jews are the most powerless people on earth and the most victimized people ever. Even the most gentle criticism of Jewish behavior is antisemitism, you see. Jews can't handle any criticism, however mild, because Jews have the thinnest skin. It's why they make the finest lampshades. (Never Again!)
Thanks for the Kunstler link.
And thank you Dieter for the Naomi Wolf link.
I'm fortunate enough that I don't have to forgive anyone I know personally for their bad behavior during PanicFest. Perhaps Dr. Wolf is a better person than I am. I think I'd have a difficult time forgiving any adult who shunned me or treated me badly for not masking, vaxxing or playing silly hygiene theater games. Adults should have known better. PanicFest mass hypnosis really brought out some ugly totalitarian tendencies in people.
Mr. Moderator, "How does that explain the PanicFests in lot of varied nations around the world?"
I would explain it by pointing out that the same people who really rule America also wield considerable power (if not enjoy outright rule) in Canada, Australia, Germany, Sweden, the UK, New Zealand, France, Spain, Portugal, Norway, Finland, Israel, Japan, S. Korea and all the rest of the countries in the anglo-zionist empire. For whatever reasons all these vassal states followed orders (and CDC guidelines), albeit with varying degrees of stupidity and harshness depending on what the rulers of each state could get away with. Kinda wild how interconnected the different regions of the empire are.
Hope you all have a great rest of the weekend! ☮
Mr. Hail, Lol...
While I am not a Seventh-Day Adventist I do consider Saturday to be the sabbath. (I think everyone needs at least one day a week where they can relax and not worry about work.) Like the Pirate's Code, it's more of a guideline than a rule, and I take enough time off that I really don't have to worry about breaking the sabbath.
"The Jews among themselves do have a general belief in their Right To Rule over others..."
Easy with the antisemitism, Mr. Hail. The Holy Holocaust people have always had the Right To Conquest. (Joking aside...)
Jewish Power is the power to deny that Jewish Power exists and to prevent anyone who suggests that Jewish Power does exist from ever doing business again. Because, as we all know, Jews are the most powerless people on earth and the most victimized people ever. Even the most gentle criticism of Jewish behavior is antisemitism, you see. Jews can't handle any criticism, however mild, because Jews have the thinnest skin. It's why they make the finest lampshades. (Never Again!)
Thanks for the Kunstler link.
And thank you Dieter for the Naomi Wolf link.
I'm fortunate enough that I don't have to forgive anyone I know personally for their bad behavior during PanicFest. Perhaps Dr. Wolf is a better person than I am. I think I'd have a difficult time forgiving any adult who shunned me or treated me badly for not masking, vaxxing or playing silly hygiene theater games. Adults should have known better. PanicFest mass hypnosis really brought out some ugly totalitarian tendencies in people.
Mr. Moderator, "How does that explain the PanicFests in lot of varied nations around the world?"
I would explain it by pointing out that the same people who really rule America also wield considerable power (if not enjoy outright rule) in Canada, Australia, Germany, Sweden, the UK, New Zealand, France, Spain, Portugal, Norway, Finland, Israel, Japan, S. Korea and all the rest of the countries in the anglo-zionist empire. For whatever reasons all these vassal states followed orders (and CDC guidelines), albeit with varying degrees of stupidity and harshness depending on what the rulers of each state could get away with. Kinda wild how interconnected the different regions of the empire are.
Hope you all have a great rest of the weekend! ☮
Moderator
Sunday - November 6th 2022 1:07PM MST
PS: Mr. Hail, although "said" elites of America- those who think they have a "right to rule" are responsible for lots of cultural destruction here, the PanicFest had elites of all stripes (ethnicities,, etc.) involved. Also, how does that explain the PanicFests in lot of varied nations around the world?
I have read all of your Corona Panic posts over the last nearly 3 years, but I will go over the one you pasted in here again.
You could help me find one of your posts that would fit more with the next post on this subject. You'd written a post, kind of pessimistic, as I recall, on what punishment or recrimination there would be for these people that Mrs Oster wants to forgive and forget. (Miss Wolf only wants to forgive but not forget - a little better, but I've got some problems with her attitude too, as I will cover in a post, probably later this week.) You post was from sometime this year, I'm sure, and not the one about Mr. Cochran.
I have read all of your Corona Panic posts over the last nearly 3 years, but I will go over the one you pasted in here again.
You could help me find one of your posts that would fit more with the next post on this subject. You'd written a post, kind of pessimistic, as I recall, on what punishment or recrimination there would be for these people that Mrs Oster wants to forgive and forget. (Miss Wolf only wants to forgive but not forget - a little better, but I've got some problems with her attitude too, as I will cover in a post, probably later this week.) You post was from sometime this year, I'm sure, and not the one about Mr. Cochran.
Hail
Sunday - November 6th 2022 9:37AM MST
PS
RE: The Thinking Class
"Let's face it: every society actually needs a thinking class, a cohort able to frame important issues-of-the-moment that require argument in the public arena to align our collective thoughts and deeds with reality. America used to have a pretty good thinking class, with a pretty good free press and many other platforms for opinion — all animated by respect for the first amendment to the Constitution.
The thinking class destroyed that by vigorously promoting a new censorship regime in every American institution, shutting down free speech and, more crucially, the necessary debate for aligning our politics with reality. Hence, America's thinking class became the torchbearers of unreality, in step with the Party of Chaos which seized the levers of power. This included the powers of life and death in the matter of Covid-19." (end quote from J. H. Kunstler)
Moderator wrote: "I am not so sure that I am totally down with the idea of our needing that 'thinking class'..."
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The first line quoted above from Kunstler might have been better phrased, for sensibility purposes, as "every society ENDS UP WITH a 'thinking class'." Or better than "thinking class," which is a provocative phrasing and euphemistic anyway, how about an "agenda-setting elite."
Various commentators over the past two centuries have independently observed what they saw or felt to be a belief that Americans rather uniquely held, an idea Americans seemed to believe or said that they believed, namely: that there is no true elite in the USA and never can be, because "the people rule" or some such slogan or similar happy-talk. "Every man a king," the sovereignty of the individual (which in extreme form is Anarchism) makes no elite possible, except a natural elite of merit. Every man a blank-slate. The observers have generally said this is a mixed-blessing.
Consider: What is the reason no one talks about Jewish power in the USA? Jewish power exists and is very important. But there is a taboo on Jewish power. Why?
Of the many reasons for the taboo on even discussing or mentioning Jewish power, one is that old tendency to not want to believe that power-elites exist at all.
The Jews among themselves do have a general belief in their Right To Rule over others (an elitist belief, by definition I guess), and, whenever an American Christian steeped in American cultural conditioning SEES that Jewish attitude, the observer dismisses it as something harmless, as someone up to silly parlor-games. Because in America everyone has a chance to enter the elite, so don't worry about it.
There is also a widespread belief, a huge exception to the anti-elitism rule, that the Jews are indeed morally superior to us and do have a certain Right to Rule, which co-exists with the generalized anti-elitism. Yes, it gets complicated, and this ball of yarn is never really unraveled because of the power of the taboo. The taboo has many planks, but the generalized anti-elitism is not necessarily the most important.
The reason I write all the above is because of its relevance to the Panic of 2020, not only the complete failure of any "U.S. elite" to stop the Panic, but the same sorts of people fanned the flames of the Panic, even when all good sense told them to stop. A similar flu-virus Panic with a responsible agenda-setting elite in place might have lasted about two months, not two+ years.
I wrote a little about this topic in early 2021 with a post called "Where are the Anti-Panic thought-leaders."
The easy diagnosis of the social ills of circa-2020 America is that there is a "bad" elite. The harder one is to look at attitudes towards elites or elitism in general and what kind of society that ended up producing, once people outside the NW-European-Christian core began to come to the USA. The USA is now full of Jewish-like diasporic groups who to varying degrees both believe in elitism, their own Right To Rule, and see anti-elitist Americans as dupes, a bit like those FBI agents and their long look-at-those-smelly-Trump-people remarks.
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Addendum on Jewish power and anti-elitism:
A simplified version of the grand saga of the Jews in the USA is that they flocked over because they saw it as easy-pickings in certain ways, and for them it was. Despite strong competition from the 'native' elite who actually built the society and all its institutions, over a period of about 75 to 100 years these people went from a marginal group of migrants and peddlers speaking a silly pidgin German (Yiddish) to the dominant ruling ethnopolitical faction. The process played out from approx the 1890s to 1970s. The saga really begins in the 1880s with the arrivals of the first "Ostjuden" from the Russian Empire--the first "political Jews." Some claiming that religion were sprinkled here and there before the arrivals of the first Eastern European Jews in 1882, but they didn't amount to much and were politically basically neutral. In the 1880s, they were not seen as plausible contenders for power; by the 1980s, it was already kind of a done-deal.
There were steady waves of Jews starting in the mid-1880s, and each successive wave picked up on the idea that the ideology of American anti-elitism would (ironically) allow a group of disciplined, ambitious, and nepotistic outsiders to move in and establish themselves in a way that was not possible in societies grounded with traditional elites or attitudes. This meant other efforts at fanning out and using the same strategy in certain countries in Europe wasn't going to succeed, or not nearly as much.
RE: The Thinking Class
"Let's face it: every society actually needs a thinking class, a cohort able to frame important issues-of-the-moment that require argument in the public arena to align our collective thoughts and deeds with reality. America used to have a pretty good thinking class, with a pretty good free press and many other platforms for opinion — all animated by respect for the first amendment to the Constitution.
The thinking class destroyed that by vigorously promoting a new censorship regime in every American institution, shutting down free speech and, more crucially, the necessary debate for aligning our politics with reality. Hence, America's thinking class became the torchbearers of unreality, in step with the Party of Chaos which seized the levers of power. This included the powers of life and death in the matter of Covid-19." (end quote from J. H. Kunstler)
Moderator wrote: "I am not so sure that I am totally down with the idea of our needing that 'thinking class'..."
- - - -
The first line quoted above from Kunstler might have been better phrased, for sensibility purposes, as "every society ENDS UP WITH a 'thinking class'." Or better than "thinking class," which is a provocative phrasing and euphemistic anyway, how about an "agenda-setting elite."
Various commentators over the past two centuries have independently observed what they saw or felt to be a belief that Americans rather uniquely held, an idea Americans seemed to believe or said that they believed, namely: that there is no true elite in the USA and never can be, because "the people rule" or some such slogan or similar happy-talk. "Every man a king," the sovereignty of the individual (which in extreme form is Anarchism) makes no elite possible, except a natural elite of merit. Every man a blank-slate. The observers have generally said this is a mixed-blessing.
Consider: What is the reason no one talks about Jewish power in the USA? Jewish power exists and is very important. But there is a taboo on Jewish power. Why?
Of the many reasons for the taboo on even discussing or mentioning Jewish power, one is that old tendency to not want to believe that power-elites exist at all.
The Jews among themselves do have a general belief in their Right To Rule over others (an elitist belief, by definition I guess), and, whenever an American Christian steeped in American cultural conditioning SEES that Jewish attitude, the observer dismisses it as something harmless, as someone up to silly parlor-games. Because in America everyone has a chance to enter the elite, so don't worry about it.
There is also a widespread belief, a huge exception to the anti-elitism rule, that the Jews are indeed morally superior to us and do have a certain Right to Rule, which co-exists with the generalized anti-elitism. Yes, it gets complicated, and this ball of yarn is never really unraveled because of the power of the taboo. The taboo has many planks, but the generalized anti-elitism is not necessarily the most important.
The reason I write all the above is because of its relevance to the Panic of 2020, not only the complete failure of any "U.S. elite" to stop the Panic, but the same sorts of people fanned the flames of the Panic, even when all good sense told them to stop. A similar flu-virus Panic with a responsible agenda-setting elite in place might have lasted about two months, not two+ years.
I wrote a little about this topic in early 2021 with a post called "Where are the Anti-Panic thought-leaders."
The easy diagnosis of the social ills of circa-2020 America is that there is a "bad" elite. The harder one is to look at attitudes towards elites or elitism in general and what kind of society that ended up producing, once people outside the NW-European-Christian core began to come to the USA. The USA is now full of Jewish-like diasporic groups who to varying degrees both believe in elitism, their own Right To Rule, and see anti-elitist Americans as dupes, a bit like those FBI agents and their long look-at-those-smelly-Trump-people remarks.
-
Addendum on Jewish power and anti-elitism:
A simplified version of the grand saga of the Jews in the USA is that they flocked over because they saw it as easy-pickings in certain ways, and for them it was. Despite strong competition from the 'native' elite who actually built the society and all its institutions, over a period of about 75 to 100 years these people went from a marginal group of migrants and peddlers speaking a silly pidgin German (Yiddish) to the dominant ruling ethnopolitical faction. The process played out from approx the 1890s to 1970s. The saga really begins in the 1880s with the arrivals of the first "Ostjuden" from the Russian Empire--the first "political Jews." Some claiming that religion were sprinkled here and there before the arrivals of the first Eastern European Jews in 1882, but they didn't amount to much and were politically basically neutral. In the 1880s, they were not seen as plausible contenders for power; by the 1980s, it was already kind of a done-deal.
There were steady waves of Jews starting in the mid-1880s, and each successive wave picked up on the idea that the ideology of American anti-elitism would (ironically) allow a group of disciplined, ambitious, and nepotistic outsiders to move in and establish themselves in a way that was not possible in societies grounded with traditional elites or attitudes. This meant other efforts at fanning out and using the same strategy in certain countries in Europe wasn't going to succeed, or not nearly as much.
Hail
Sunday - November 6th 2022 8:41AM MST
PS
Adam Smith wrote: "I'm off to work...Happy Saturday!"
This proves, once and for all, that Adam Smith is not a Seventh-Day Adventist. For no Seventh-Day Adventist would ever do work on a Saturday, being their "sabbath."
Adam Smith wrote: "I'm off to work...Happy Saturday!"
This proves, once and for all, that Adam Smith is not a Seventh-Day Adventist. For no Seventh-Day Adventist would ever do work on a Saturday, being their "sabbath."
The Alarmist
Saturday - November 5th 2022 1:55PM MST
PS
There indeed will be no COVID Nuremburg, and even if there was, it would be a waste of time due to women and soy-boyz being part of the jury pool. Besides, the court would be convened by the criminal elite.
Just like the way the citizenry of the West have been left helpless before the thugs by a “professional” constabulary and criminal “justice” system.
Societal collapse is not pretty, but it will be interesting to see where the chips fall. There aren’t enough police and military to keep the “Golden Billion” under control when they realize who the bad guys and gals really are. Maybe that’s why the official policy remains “Vaccination über alles” despite clear evidence that the ineffective vaxxes are also clearly dangerous.
There indeed will be no COVID Nuremburg, and even if there was, it would be a waste of time due to women and soy-boyz being part of the jury pool. Besides, the court would be convened by the criminal elite.
Just like the way the citizenry of the West have been left helpless before the thugs by a “professional” constabulary and criminal “justice” system.
Societal collapse is not pretty, but it will be interesting to see where the chips fall. There aren’t enough police and military to keep the “Golden Billion” under control when they realize who the bad guys and gals really are. Maybe that’s why the official policy remains “Vaccination über alles” despite clear evidence that the ineffective vaxxes are also clearly dangerous.
Dieter Kief
Saturday - November 5th 2022 10:34AM MST
PS
Naomi Klein about why she decided to forgive her decided to forgive her small town in the HUDSON VALLEY FOR ALL THE cOVID OBNOXIUOUSNESSES (which were aplenty there):
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/11/no_author/a-lost-small-town/
Naomi Klein about why she decided to forgive her decided to forgive her small town in the HUDSON VALLEY FOR ALL THE cOVID OBNOXIUOUSNESSES (which were aplenty there):
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/11/no_author/a-lost-small-town/
Adam Smith
Saturday - November 5th 2022 5:43AM MST
PS: Good morning, everyone,
Quick morning shout out to Messrs. Hail, Kief and Moderator...
Thanks for the thoughtful comments. I don't have much time this morning as I'm off to work. But I'll be back later...
Happy Saturday! ☮
Quick morning shout out to Messrs. Hail, Kief and Moderator...
Thanks for the thoughtful comments. I don't have much time this morning as I'm off to work. But I'll be back later...
Happy Saturday! ☮
Moderator
Saturday - November 5th 2022 5:21AM MST
PS: Mr. Hail, thanks for the link to James Kunstler's page. It's not that it's so hard to copy and paste anyway, but I do get the whole nice-and-simple concept of hyperlinks that I understood almost 30 years ago. The problem with this blog is that I won't allow the links and such with the HTML tabs getting into the dBase (as comments do, of course), until I really understand how someone could fuck with the dBase, which, right now I DON'T. So, since it's been working, until I get to working on software, I'd better be prudent on this. All it takes someone who wants to take the blog down and is savvy with database commands to insert something ...
Anyway, as for this post by Mr. Kunstler, I am not so sure that I am totally down with the idea of our needing that "thinking class" to begin with. Of course, research on effectiveness of drugs or treatments is needed, whether on a real scientific theoretical level or just the statistical analysis that is considered "research" a lot. Do we need instructions, per se, on what to do? I'd say not. Without the interference of government (banning treatments, punishing doctors who don't go with the "official" protocols, etc.) I think Americans could have individually and collectively figured out their own best practices against the Kung Flu.
Now, had the CDC just remained a statistics-gathering and data analysis agency, with no recommendations and pressure out of them, then I'd have considered that department one of the few worthwhile parts of the US Gov't. Americans could have used their website to work out the preventative measures and remedies that they wanted. Let's compare the CDC with the NOAA. Now, unless I"m missing something of late, NOAA just tabulates climate and oceanographic data, makes many different types of forecasts, etc. They do have official wind advisories or lake advisories, hurricane watch/warning maps etc. What I haven't seen out of the NOAA is some egotistical big shot advising the President or Americans in general on policy. Just give us the information - we don't need recommendations.
I have more to write, Mr. Hail, on the idea of what it is I really don't like about what came out of the "thinking class" during the PanicFest - more about the coercion than what the actual thoughts - right or wrong, about this drug, this protocol, or these measures - they had. (I wrote this last part to remind myself of what to discuss on here later, haha!)
Thanks for the comments.
Hello Dieter. We don't all agree on the vax, just as we don't all agree on what's going on in China. I'm OK with that, as they say!
I do like rubbing it in though, just as I did with the dentist after coming back 15 years after the last visit with good teeth ("oh, yeah, and I eat lots of sugar", I walked back in and told him). That's all genetics. What I mean here, is with the vaccine, and this is also actually somewhat genetics*, is that my stance on the vaccine freaks some people out.
These are relatives of a friend, so we are on a friendly basis. While they were listening on the other end of the phone, my friend asked me "hey, I told them you didn't get any boosters, right?" (He doesn't remember stuff sometimes.) "I didn't get ANY of these shots. You know that." Imagining those other 2 big vaxxers on the other end, I rubbed it in - ".. and my [family member] isn't even getting the flu shot this year, and she works at the HOSPITAL." No, I didn't have to add that, but I like to imagine the looks on people's faces!
* That is, I don't get the flu and lung type ailments, ever. (Knock on something) That's just part of the reason I see the benefit denominator of the risk/benefit ratio as being extra small for me.
Anyway, as for this post by Mr. Kunstler, I am not so sure that I am totally down with the idea of our needing that "thinking class" to begin with. Of course, research on effectiveness of drugs or treatments is needed, whether on a real scientific theoretical level or just the statistical analysis that is considered "research" a lot. Do we need instructions, per se, on what to do? I'd say not. Without the interference of government (banning treatments, punishing doctors who don't go with the "official" protocols, etc.) I think Americans could have individually and collectively figured out their own best practices against the Kung Flu.
Now, had the CDC just remained a statistics-gathering and data analysis agency, with no recommendations and pressure out of them, then I'd have considered that department one of the few worthwhile parts of the US Gov't. Americans could have used their website to work out the preventative measures and remedies that they wanted. Let's compare the CDC with the NOAA. Now, unless I"m missing something of late, NOAA just tabulates climate and oceanographic data, makes many different types of forecasts, etc. They do have official wind advisories or lake advisories, hurricane watch/warning maps etc. What I haven't seen out of the NOAA is some egotistical big shot advising the President or Americans in general on policy. Just give us the information - we don't need recommendations.
I have more to write, Mr. Hail, on the idea of what it is I really don't like about what came out of the "thinking class" during the PanicFest - more about the coercion than what the actual thoughts - right or wrong, about this drug, this protocol, or these measures - they had. (I wrote this last part to remind myself of what to discuss on here later, haha!)
Thanks for the comments.
Hello Dieter. We don't all agree on the vax, just as we don't all agree on what's going on in China. I'm OK with that, as they say!
I do like rubbing it in though, just as I did with the dentist after coming back 15 years after the last visit with good teeth ("oh, yeah, and I eat lots of sugar", I walked back in and told him). That's all genetics. What I mean here, is with the vaccine, and this is also actually somewhat genetics*, is that my stance on the vaccine freaks some people out.
These are relatives of a friend, so we are on a friendly basis. While they were listening on the other end of the phone, my friend asked me "hey, I told them you didn't get any boosters, right?" (He doesn't remember stuff sometimes.) "I didn't get ANY of these shots. You know that." Imagining those other 2 big vaxxers on the other end, I rubbed it in - ".. and my [family member] isn't even getting the flu shot this year, and she works at the HOSPITAL." No, I didn't have to add that, but I like to imagine the looks on people's faces!
* That is, I don't get the flu and lung type ailments, ever. (Knock on something) That's just part of the reason I see the benefit denominator of the risk/benefit ratio as being extra small for me.
Dieter Kief
Saturday - November 5th 2022 1:57AM MST
PS
Emily Oster succeeded then and she has lots of success now. She is not talking to us in the little corners of the www here.
Sorry for sounding a bit disencourageing - but there will be no Covid Nürnberg. Not now - and not in ten years or whenever.
I want to say (once again...) that the quite .i.n.f.l.u.e.n.t..i.a.l. critics of lockdowns (Martin Kulldorff, Anders Tegnell, John Ioannidis, Jay Bhattachaira - ) are all basically anti vaccine mandates but - pro mRNA vaccinations - at least before Omicron. Sweden had over all one of the highest vaccination rates in Europe and overall very good Covid results (as shown by Mr. Hail over and over again in minute detail).
Mod., MBlanc46 Adam (and Mr. Hail) - an old Pomeranian saying goes like this: "We complain about those who are up early, but their milk we do drink then." (it explains Robert Perry's Iraq war experiences too).
Emily Oster succeeded then and she has lots of success now. She is not talking to us in the little corners of the www here.
Sorry for sounding a bit disencourageing - but there will be no Covid Nürnberg. Not now - and not in ten years or whenever.
I want to say (once again...) that the quite .i.n.f.l.u.e.n.t..i.a.l. critics of lockdowns (Martin Kulldorff, Anders Tegnell, John Ioannidis, Jay Bhattachaira - ) are all basically anti vaccine mandates but - pro mRNA vaccinations - at least before Omicron. Sweden had over all one of the highest vaccination rates in Europe and overall very good Covid results (as shown by Mr. Hail over and over again in minute detail).
Mod., MBlanc46 Adam (and Mr. Hail) - an old Pomeranian saying goes like this: "We complain about those who are up early, but their milk we do drink then." (it explains Robert Perry's Iraq war experiences too).
Hail
Friday - November 4th 2022 11:38PM MST
PS
Adam Smith wrote:
"...'The people who got it right, for whatever reason...' Are the people you should have listened to all along."
"The people who got it right are still being harassed, deplatformed and punished for not following the narrative. Some of the doctors who 'got it right' may be stripped of their medical 'licenses' for saying unfavorable things about the death stab..."
_______
The dissident journalist Robert Parry, in March 2017:
"Even when your stories are ultimately confirmed, no one goes back and 'fixes' it. It's not like they say, 'Oh, remember we trashed that guy, and it turns out he was RIGHT?' That's not how it works.
Someone once said: 'In Washington, there's no honor in being right too soon.' That's true. If you're 'right too soon,' people tend to remember you as 'out-of-step and crazy.' Then, later, it's decided that that 'Oh yeah, that thing IS true,' the heavy-hitters and the big-shots will go around it, but they won't go back and say, 'Oh remember this guy we made fun of, for months or years, yeah, HE had it first.' So you're stuck." (end quote from Robert Parry, dissident journalist).
Parry says no one ever got punished for blasting out crazy false stories related to the Iraq war build-up and aftermath. Many of the chief liars, war-propagandists, agitators, and cheerleaders even got rewarded, not just in the political world but in the media.
There was Fred Hiatt, a well-connected Jewish activist and Washington Post "editorial page editor" from 2000 to 2021 (his death), who before the Iraq Attaq of 2003 and the years of involvement there, just blasted nonstop pro-invasion propaganda and promoted false stories to encourage fear and anger at Iraq, out of nowhere and based on thin gruel at the time which a free press worth the name would have torn apart. The Big Media career of Fred Hiatt only soared to new heights after his participation in the lies related to Iraq.
Anyone old enough to remember the early 2000s will recall well the Iraq Panic psy-op against America of the time, many who "fell for it" back then might not do so now, but the Corona-Panic of the early 2020s proves there IS a large constituency out there for these kinds of stories, people wanting to be led towards crazy beliefs and apocalyptic nonsense by feel-good con-men who promise to keep you SAFE by doing (insert extreme, crazy, destructive, but plausible-sounding thing).
Another journalist rewarded for blasting false stories during the Iraq affair was Bill Keller, promoted to "executive editor of the New York Times" a year after the Iraq invasion, which he had cheerleaded for, in which he had participated in disseminating false stories, and for which he had shown no skepticism over, and to this day it is still not clear he ever admitted wrongdoing.
Robert Parry, March 2017: "We had this remarkable moment in the 2000s when the press COULD have been held accountable and we could have said: 'Listen, you failed in your responsibility to the American people. You got a major story wrong and it's had tremendously harmful effects...You're out. You blew it. Goodbye.' But instead, they all move on. And they're still advising us today on how to see international events..."
Adam Smith wrote:
"...'The people who got it right, for whatever reason...' Are the people you should have listened to all along."
"The people who got it right are still being harassed, deplatformed and punished for not following the narrative. Some of the doctors who 'got it right' may be stripped of their medical 'licenses' for saying unfavorable things about the death stab..."
_______
The dissident journalist Robert Parry, in March 2017:
"Even when your stories are ultimately confirmed, no one goes back and 'fixes' it. It's not like they say, 'Oh, remember we trashed that guy, and it turns out he was RIGHT?' That's not how it works.
Someone once said: 'In Washington, there's no honor in being right too soon.' That's true. If you're 'right too soon,' people tend to remember you as 'out-of-step and crazy.' Then, later, it's decided that that 'Oh yeah, that thing IS true,' the heavy-hitters and the big-shots will go around it, but they won't go back and say, 'Oh remember this guy we made fun of, for months or years, yeah, HE had it first.' So you're stuck." (end quote from Robert Parry, dissident journalist).
Parry says no one ever got punished for blasting out crazy false stories related to the Iraq war build-up and aftermath. Many of the chief liars, war-propagandists, agitators, and cheerleaders even got rewarded, not just in the political world but in the media.
There was Fred Hiatt, a well-connected Jewish activist and Washington Post "editorial page editor" from 2000 to 2021 (his death), who before the Iraq Attaq of 2003 and the years of involvement there, just blasted nonstop pro-invasion propaganda and promoted false stories to encourage fear and anger at Iraq, out of nowhere and based on thin gruel at the time which a free press worth the name would have torn apart. The Big Media career of Fred Hiatt only soared to new heights after his participation in the lies related to Iraq.
Anyone old enough to remember the early 2000s will recall well the Iraq Panic psy-op against America of the time, many who "fell for it" back then might not do so now, but the Corona-Panic of the early 2020s proves there IS a large constituency out there for these kinds of stories, people wanting to be led towards crazy beliefs and apocalyptic nonsense by feel-good con-men who promise to keep you SAFE by doing (insert extreme, crazy, destructive, but plausible-sounding thing).
Another journalist rewarded for blasting false stories during the Iraq affair was Bill Keller, promoted to "executive editor of the New York Times" a year after the Iraq invasion, which he had cheerleaded for, in which he had participated in disseminating false stories, and for which he had shown no skepticism over, and to this day it is still not clear he ever admitted wrongdoing.
Robert Parry, March 2017: "We had this remarkable moment in the 2000s when the press COULD have been held accountable and we could have said: 'Listen, you failed in your responsibility to the American people. You got a major story wrong and it's had tremendously harmful effects...You're out. You blew it. Goodbye.' But instead, they all move on. And they're still advising us today on how to see international events..."
Hail
Friday - November 4th 2022 11:09PM MST
PS
I direct you to James Howard Kunstler's comments on the Virus-Panic Amnesty proposal. I reproduce it in text here, for those too lazy or unwilling to copy this link:
https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/emily-osters-plea-bargain/
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THE PLEA BARGAIN OF EMILY OSTER
by James Howard Kunstler - Nov. 4, 2022
By now, everybody and his uncle has seen Emily Oster's plea for "pandemic amnesty" in The Atlantic magazine, a house organ of the people in America who know better than you do about… really… everything. Emily's wazoo is so stuffed with gold-plated credentials (BA, PhD, Harvard; economics prof at Brown U) it's a wonder that she could sit down long enough to peck out her lame argument that "we need to forgive one another for what we did and said when we were in the dark about COVID."
Emily wasn't "in the dark." She had access to the same information as the Americans who recognized that everything the public health authorities, the medical establishment, and many elected officials shoveled out about Covid and its putative remedies and preventatives was untrue, with a patina of bad faith and malice — especially when it was used to persecute their political adversaries.
These dissenters turned out to be "right for the wrong reasons," she declared, the main reason being that they were not aligned in good-think with the Woke-Jacobinism of her fellow "progressives" at Brown U, and academics all across the land, who were righteously busy destroying the intellectual life of the nation, making it impossible for the thinking class to think.
Let's face it: every society actually needs a thinking class, a cohort able to frame important issues-of-the-moment that require argument in the public arena to align our collective thoughts and deeds with reality. America used to have a pretty good thinking class, with a pretty good free press and many other platforms for opinion — all animated by respect for the first amendment to the Constitution.
The thinking class destroyed that by vigorously promoting a new censorship regime in every American institution, shutting down free speech and, more crucially, the necessary debate for aligning our politics with reality. Hence, America's thinking class became the torchbearers of unreality, in step with the Party of Chaos which seized the levers of power. This included the powers of life and death in the matter of Covid-19.
These were the people who militated against effective early treatment protocols (to cynically preserve the drug companies' emergency use authorization (EUA) and thus their liability shields); the people who enforced the deadly remdesivir-and-ventilator combo in hospital treatment; the people who rolled out the harmful and ineffective "vaccines"; who fired and vilified doctors who disagreed with all that; the ones who engineered a long list of abusive policies that destroyed businesses, livelihoods, households, reputations, and futures.
How did it happen that the thinking class destroyed thinking and betrayed itself? Because the status competition for moral posturing in the sick milieu of the campus became more important to them than the truth. In places like Brown U, what you saw was an escalating contest for status brownie-points, which is what virtue-signaling is all about. And the supreme virtue was going along with whatever "experts" and people-in-authority said — the pathetic virtue of submission. Anything that got in the way of going along — such as differences of opinion — had to be crushed, stamped out, and with a vicious ruthlessness, to teach the dissenters a lesson: dissent will not be tolerated!
Some thinking class. The case of Emily Oster should be particularly and painfully disturbing, since she affects to specialize, as an economist, on "pregnancy and parenting" (her own website declares), while the Covid regime of public health officialdom she supported instigated a horrendous pediatric health crisis that is ongoing — it was only days ago that the CDC added the harmful mRNA "vaccines" to its childhood immunization schedule for the purpose of conferring permanent legal immunity for the drug companies after the EUA ends, a dastardly act. Where's Ms. Oster's plea to the CDC to cease and desist trying to vaccinate kids with mRNA products?
The CDC is still running TV commercials (during World Series ballgames!) touting its "booster" shots when only weeks ago a top Pfizer executive, Janine Small ("Regional President for Vaccines of International Developed Markets"), revealed in testimony to the European Union Parliament that her company never tested its "vaccine" for preventing transmission of SARS CoV-2. The CDC under Director Rochelle Walensky is still extra-super-busy concealing or fudging its statistical data to obfuscate the emerging picture that MRNA "vaccines" are responsible for the shocking rise of "all-causes deaths" in the most heavily-vaxxed nations. In short, the authorities are to this minute still running their whole malign operation.
Notably, Ms. Oster's plea for amnesty and forgiveness, showcased in The Atlantic, omits any discussion of accountability for what amounts to serious crimes against the public. A whole lot of people deserve to be indicted for killing and injuring millions of people.
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If you took the time read this copy-paste job, I encourage you to take the time to jump over to to "repay" the favor by directing traffic to James Howard Kunstler:
https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/emily-osters-plea-bargain/
I direct you to James Howard Kunstler's comments on the Virus-Panic Amnesty proposal. I reproduce it in text here, for those too lazy or unwilling to copy this link:
https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/emily-osters-plea-bargain/
______________
THE PLEA BARGAIN OF EMILY OSTER
by James Howard Kunstler - Nov. 4, 2022
By now, everybody and his uncle has seen Emily Oster's plea for "pandemic amnesty" in The Atlantic magazine, a house organ of the people in America who know better than you do about… really… everything. Emily's wazoo is so stuffed with gold-plated credentials (BA, PhD, Harvard; economics prof at Brown U) it's a wonder that she could sit down long enough to peck out her lame argument that "we need to forgive one another for what we did and said when we were in the dark about COVID."
Emily wasn't "in the dark." She had access to the same information as the Americans who recognized that everything the public health authorities, the medical establishment, and many elected officials shoveled out about Covid and its putative remedies and preventatives was untrue, with a patina of bad faith and malice — especially when it was used to persecute their political adversaries.
These dissenters turned out to be "right for the wrong reasons," she declared, the main reason being that they were not aligned in good-think with the Woke-Jacobinism of her fellow "progressives" at Brown U, and academics all across the land, who were righteously busy destroying the intellectual life of the nation, making it impossible for the thinking class to think.
Let's face it: every society actually needs a thinking class, a cohort able to frame important issues-of-the-moment that require argument in the public arena to align our collective thoughts and deeds with reality. America used to have a pretty good thinking class, with a pretty good free press and many other platforms for opinion — all animated by respect for the first amendment to the Constitution.
The thinking class destroyed that by vigorously promoting a new censorship regime in every American institution, shutting down free speech and, more crucially, the necessary debate for aligning our politics with reality. Hence, America's thinking class became the torchbearers of unreality, in step with the Party of Chaos which seized the levers of power. This included the powers of life and death in the matter of Covid-19.
These were the people who militated against effective early treatment protocols (to cynically preserve the drug companies' emergency use authorization (EUA) and thus their liability shields); the people who enforced the deadly remdesivir-and-ventilator combo in hospital treatment; the people who rolled out the harmful and ineffective "vaccines"; who fired and vilified doctors who disagreed with all that; the ones who engineered a long list of abusive policies that destroyed businesses, livelihoods, households, reputations, and futures.
How did it happen that the thinking class destroyed thinking and betrayed itself? Because the status competition for moral posturing in the sick milieu of the campus became more important to them than the truth. In places like Brown U, what you saw was an escalating contest for status brownie-points, which is what virtue-signaling is all about. And the supreme virtue was going along with whatever "experts" and people-in-authority said — the pathetic virtue of submission. Anything that got in the way of going along — such as differences of opinion — had to be crushed, stamped out, and with a vicious ruthlessness, to teach the dissenters a lesson: dissent will not be tolerated!
Some thinking class. The case of Emily Oster should be particularly and painfully disturbing, since she affects to specialize, as an economist, on "pregnancy and parenting" (her own website declares), while the Covid regime of public health officialdom she supported instigated a horrendous pediatric health crisis that is ongoing — it was only days ago that the CDC added the harmful mRNA "vaccines" to its childhood immunization schedule for the purpose of conferring permanent legal immunity for the drug companies after the EUA ends, a dastardly act. Where's Ms. Oster's plea to the CDC to cease and desist trying to vaccinate kids with mRNA products?
The CDC is still running TV commercials (during World Series ballgames!) touting its "booster" shots when only weeks ago a top Pfizer executive, Janine Small ("Regional President for Vaccines of International Developed Markets"), revealed in testimony to the European Union Parliament that her company never tested its "vaccine" for preventing transmission of SARS CoV-2. The CDC under Director Rochelle Walensky is still extra-super-busy concealing or fudging its statistical data to obfuscate the emerging picture that MRNA "vaccines" are responsible for the shocking rise of "all-causes deaths" in the most heavily-vaxxed nations. In short, the authorities are to this minute still running their whole malign operation.
Notably, Ms. Oster's plea for amnesty and forgiveness, showcased in The Atlantic, omits any discussion of accountability for what amounts to serious crimes against the public. A whole lot of people deserve to be indicted for killing and injuring millions of people.
.
________________
If you took the time read this copy-paste job, I encourage you to take the time to jump over to to "repay" the favor by directing traffic to James Howard Kunstler:
https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/emily-osters-plea-bargain/
Adam Smith
Friday - November 4th 2022 4:21PM MST
PS: Well said, Mr. Alarmist. Thanks! ☮
The Alarmist
Friday - November 4th 2022 12:22PM MST
PS
Many of these people wanted to lock us out of society. Way too many of these people wanted to lock us in camps and even starve us to death or leave us gasping in the gutter for air for want of medical care denied.
Not just hell no ... they should be grateful that actual Death Squads haven’t already started to mete out justice for the millions of lives those arrogant bastards have ruined and taken through their global program of medical and social terror.
Many of these people wanted to lock us out of society. Way too many of these people wanted to lock us in camps and even starve us to death or leave us gasping in the gutter for air for want of medical care denied.
Not just hell no ... they should be grateful that actual Death Squads haven’t already started to mete out justice for the millions of lives those arrogant bastards have ruined and taken through their global program of medical and social terror.
Adam Smith
Friday - November 4th 2022 12:01PM MST
PS: Good afternoon, Mr. Blanc,
This piece?
https://vdare.com/articles/no-emily-oster-we-don-t-need-a-covid-amnesty-we-need-a-covid-nuremberg
Thanks! Hope you're having a great day! ☮
This piece?
https://vdare.com/articles/no-emily-oster-we-don-t-need-a-covid-amnesty-we-need-a-covid-nuremberg
Thanks! Hope you're having a great day! ☮
MBlanc46
Friday - November 4th 2022 11:43AM MST
PS That Lance Welton piece is brilliant. I wish that I’d thought of “Covid Nuremberg”.
Adam Smith
Friday - November 4th 2022 11:13AM MST
PS: Good afternoon, everyone,
Amnesty? For these people???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSIQZa88EIQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zH7Vk082bg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tKaZeNobXY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d-fJgi-gHA
Thanks for covering this, Achmed. I've been reading a bit about this article the last couple days. I think it's pretty brazen of her to ask for amnesty without offering a sincere apology first. The policies these people championed destroyed many people's lives. (Mrs. Oster advocated employer mandates for the clot shot, for example.)
The totalitarian precedents set by the PanicFest (ongoing in China) are very dangerous, though it was pretty educational to see how many people hopped onboard with the insanity. I will not forget and I will remain vigilant. The totalitarian urge could easily be rekindled given the right cues from the idiot plate.
While I myself was unharmed by all this nonsense, many people were not so fortunate.
Check out this twitter thread for a few of their stories...
https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1587115880751763463
These are pretty good too...
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1587950321783001088
https://twitter.com/Robber_Baron_/status/1588208172077965313
"We didn’t know" It seems a little late for the Panickers to claim ignorance. If they truly didn't know they should have done nothing. Instead they went full totalitarian when the TV told them to do so. Amnesty for these idiots who caused so much damage would set another dangerous precedent.
"The people who got it right, for whatever reason..." Are the people you should have listened to all along. They are the people WE (those of us who got it right) listened to. The same people the panickers and the gatekeepers were so busy censoring. (Remember Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi? Among so many others.) The people who got it right are still being harassed, deplatformed and punished for not following the narrative. Some of the doctors who "got it right" may be stripped of their medical "licenses" for saying unfavorable things about the death stab...
https://dailystormer.in/the-science-moves-to-defrock-two-covid-heretics/
https://www.eugyppius.com/p/emily-oster-proposes-a-pandemic-amnesty
Pandemic Amnesty? - I agree with both Mr. Blanc and Achmed. And no, Achmed, I do not think you are being too harsh. What these people did still makes my blood boil, and I was unharmed by their policies. (Well, except for the inflation from all the money printer go brrr...)
We cannot let this level of damage go unpunished if we are ever to move forward. This sort of thing can never be allowed to happen again. These so called public health experts and their accomplices in "government" and the media need to be defrocked and their agencies abolished. Many of the offenders should pay reparations and serve very harsh sentences on the chain gang baking under the hot southern sun. The most egregious offenders deserve a short drop and a sudden stop.
Pandemic Amnesty? - Oh Hell No!
☮
Amnesty? For these people???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSIQZa88EIQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zH7Vk082bg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tKaZeNobXY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d-fJgi-gHA
Thanks for covering this, Achmed. I've been reading a bit about this article the last couple days. I think it's pretty brazen of her to ask for amnesty without offering a sincere apology first. The policies these people championed destroyed many people's lives. (Mrs. Oster advocated employer mandates for the clot shot, for example.)
The totalitarian precedents set by the PanicFest (ongoing in China) are very dangerous, though it was pretty educational to see how many people hopped onboard with the insanity. I will not forget and I will remain vigilant. The totalitarian urge could easily be rekindled given the right cues from the idiot plate.
While I myself was unharmed by all this nonsense, many people were not so fortunate.
Check out this twitter thread for a few of their stories...
https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1587115880751763463
These are pretty good too...
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1587950321783001088
https://twitter.com/Robber_Baron_/status/1588208172077965313
"We didn’t know" It seems a little late for the Panickers to claim ignorance. If they truly didn't know they should have done nothing. Instead they went full totalitarian when the TV told them to do so. Amnesty for these idiots who caused so much damage would set another dangerous precedent.
"The people who got it right, for whatever reason..." Are the people you should have listened to all along. They are the people WE (those of us who got it right) listened to. The same people the panickers and the gatekeepers were so busy censoring. (Remember Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi? Among so many others.) The people who got it right are still being harassed, deplatformed and punished for not following the narrative. Some of the doctors who "got it right" may be stripped of their medical "licenses" for saying unfavorable things about the death stab...
https://dailystormer.in/the-science-moves-to-defrock-two-covid-heretics/
https://www.eugyppius.com/p/emily-oster-proposes-a-pandemic-amnesty
Pandemic Amnesty? - I agree with both Mr. Blanc and Achmed. And no, Achmed, I do not think you are being too harsh. What these people did still makes my blood boil, and I was unharmed by their policies. (Well, except for the inflation from all the money printer go brrr...)
We cannot let this level of damage go unpunished if we are ever to move forward. This sort of thing can never be allowed to happen again. These so called public health experts and their accomplices in "government" and the media need to be defrocked and their agencies abolished. Many of the offenders should pay reparations and serve very harsh sentences on the chain gang baking under the hot southern sun. The most egregious offenders deserve a short drop and a sudden stop.
Pandemic Amnesty? - Oh Hell No!
☮
Moderator
Friday - November 4th 2022 9:56AM MST
PS: I noticed a Lance Weldon article in Emily Oster on VDare just a while ago too, Mr. Blanc. She is proclaiming ignorance on behalf of ALL of us, when that's not the case, as you demonstrate.
I may have been too harsh. Perhaps I should just make it clear that you can't really forgive someone who has not even realized the error of this ways and apologized.
I may have been too harsh. Perhaps I should just make it clear that you can't really forgive someone who has not even realized the error of this ways and apologized.
MBlanc46
Friday - November 4th 2022 9:36AM MST
PS I’m almost beginning to feel sorry for Prof Oster. I haven’t visited a Dissident Right site this week without seeing a post ripping her a new one. I hear that even Normie sites have pounced on her. But only “almost”. I’d still be delighted to be the guy that ties the knot on the rope that we use…. Well, you know. The thing that burns me most is that she says the reason they did all those mean, nasty, rotten things is that they just didn’t know enough. They were ignorant. When was the last time you heard a Leftist proclaim ignorance? Usually, they’re wagging their index fingers at us, telling us how much they know, and how we’d better do what they tell us. Or else. Now, I’m not a Brown U prof with a Hahvahd PhD. But I’ve seen enough respiratory disease epidemics in my 76 years to know how to deal with them: Try to protect the most vulnerable and tough it out. It was incumbent on Mx Oster to educate herself about respiratory viruses. She didn’t. And now she wants an amnesty. Sorry, lady, but I’m just not in an amnesty sort of mood.
Amnesty? Many of these people should be publically hung at the worst and deported to the Congo at the least.