Posted On: Thursday - March 16th 2023 8:44AM MST
In Topics:   Elections '16 - '24  The Russians  Trump  US Feral Government  The Neocons  World Political Stupidity  President DeSantis
Note: A post on the heat transfer from an ACTUAL greenhouse vs the "Greenhouse Effect", just for some closure on this one-measly-piece-of-the-climate excuse for the Climate Crisis™ and the disarming and alarming video by Dr. Sabine Hossenfelder is in the works. However, I want to do some real calculations (convection, conduction, and radiation), so it may be a while. As I wrote, I'm not being paid for this, so the deadline is the next round-to-it I get.
This post was inspired by the inclusion of a statement by (hopefully future President) Ron DeSantis on the Ukraine/Russia war by commenter E.H. Hail under this post, along with more commentary by Mr. Hail on the necocon feedback. I had not intended to continue the Trump v DeSantis series, but I figure we'd better give Donald Trump equal time, and this fits in. Those previous posts were Part 1 - Personalities - - Part 2 - Immunity to Kung Flu Panic - - Part 3 - Immigration Invasion and Part 4 - Tag Team?. None of them covered foreign policy, so this will help on that score.
For the DeSantis statement, I wanted to find a web source to link to, and, believe me, it took me the 2nd page of the duckduckgo search to get off of the Lyin' Press outlets that would be annoying and biased. Since the New York Post is as close to Peak Stupidity's "Newspaper of Record" status as any other big outlet, here is their article of 3 days ago by Victor Nava with Governor DeSantis' statement - it indeed matches Mr. Hail's post, but with interruptions by pictures and an ad or two. This was not from ON the Tucker Carlson show, but the NY Post article says:
The host of “Tucker Carlson Tonight” asked declared and potential candidates whether the US opposing Russia in Ukraine is a vital strategic interest for America; what the US objective in Ukraine is and how the US will know when it has been achieved; should there be a limit on weapons and money sent to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky; have US sanctions against Russia been effective; and does the US face the risk of nuclear war with Russia.Here's Governor DeSantis Statement, titled Ron DeSantis says helping Ukraine fend off Russia not a vital US interest
“While the U.S. has many vital national interests -- securing our borders, addressing the crisis of readiness within our military, achieving energy security and independence, and checking the economic, cultural, and military power of the Chinese Communist Party -- becoming further entangled in a territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia is not one of them. The Biden administration’s virtual “blank check” funding of this conflict for “as long as it takes,” without any defined objectives or accountability, distracts from our country’s most pressing challenges.Bravo! I don't think I have anything to add here beside just simply: US, GTFO!
Without question, peace should be the objective. The U.S. should not provide assistance that could require the deployment of American troops or enable Ukraine to engage in offensive operations beyond its borders. F-16s and long-range missiles should therefore be off the table. These moves would risk explicitly drawing the United States into the conflict and drawing us closer to a hot war between the world’s two largest nuclear powers. That risk is unacceptable.
A policy of “regime change” in Russia (no doubt popular among the DC foreign policy interventionists) would greatly increase the stakes of the conflict, making the use of nuclear weapons more likely. Such a policy would neither stop the death and destruction of the war, nor produce a pro-American, Madisonian constitutionalist in the Kremlin. History indicates that Putin’s successor, in this hypothetical, would likely be even more ruthless. The costs to achieve such a dubious outcome could become astronomical.
The Biden administration’s policies have driven Russia into a de facto alliance with China. Because China has not and will not abide by the embargo, Russia has increased its foreign revenues while China benefits from cheaper fuel. Coupled with his intentional depletion of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve and support for the Left’s Green New Deal, Biden has further empowered Russia’s energy-dominated economy and Putin’s war machine at Americans’ expense.
Our citizens are also entitled to know how the billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars are being utilized in Ukraine.
We cannot prioritize intervention in an escalating foreign war over the defense of our own homeland, especially as tens of thousands of Americans are dying every year from narcotics smuggled across our open border and our weapons arsenals critical for our own security are rapidly being depleted."
Right, so this guy is "controlled opposition"*, a Deep State operative, or one with the Jewish lobby? I didn't think so before, and I sure don't now. As Mr. Hail notes, the usual ACTUAL opposition, the Neocons are plain freaking out. I'll paste in here a comment by Mr. Hail regarding the Neocon pundit David Frum:
David Frum, the neoconservative, has released an emergency editorial in The Atlantic today attacking DeSantis. ("Is Ron DeSantis Flaming Out Already?" by David Frum, The Atlantic, March 14, 2023.)I had originally thought that "emergency editorial" was Atlantic or David Frum wording, but I like the idea. We should pull right off the side of the road, pull out our phones, and click that Atlantic link STAT! This is a Neocon Red Alert: Someone important cares about Americans more than Israel!
Frum says that Ron DeSantis' opposition to the Ukraine War is reckless, dangerous, stupid, callous, and signals that DeSantis is FINISHED as a politician on the national stage. Frum believes DeSantis is such a poor political strategist and of such weak character that he is "flaming out" before even taking off.
David Frum claims that he suspected DeSantis might have been a traitor to the cause of Holy Ukraine when he declined to greet the returning Florida National Guard members who had, for some reason, been in Ukraine in winter 2021-22. Frum said his suspicion grew when DeSantis refused to "praise" the Florida National Guard members who had been in Ukraine.
The suspicion that DeSantis is a traitor to the Ukraine Cause (and therefore--implied--a traitor to the USA), which had formed David Frum's mind in 2022, was confirmed yesterday with DeSantis' anti-war statement.
"DeSantis’s statement on Ukraine was everything that Russian President Vladimir Putin and his admirers could have wished for from a presumptive candidate for president," says neoconservative David Frum.
Yeah, I know, Ron DeSantis had some meeting in Jerusalem. He does have a mass of Jewish voter in southeast Florida, well, or "voters", anyway. Would they vote for him at all no matter whether he kowtows? Maybe he's figured out, "NOT", and maybe some of those voters will come around too at some point. They are not all followers of your David Frums, Jonah Goldbergs, Bill Kristols and the official political Neocon sellouts**.
Mr. Hail notes:
Bill Kristol, the neoconservative godfather figure, has been on a 48-hour rage spree against DeSantis for the latter's opposition to the Ukraine War. Kristol is said to be seeking ways to ensure DeSantis loses funding.So far I'm very pleased to see the enemies that Ron DeSantis had been making.
Now, what's the word from The Donald? He responded to Tucker Carlson's request for a statement too, per Kent Masing of the Business Insider - Here's What Trump Has To Say About The Ukraine-Russia War. Because it's very hard to get anything resembling a "statement" out of Trump's mouth, I don't blame the site for inserting his answers piece by piece. Here's most of it:
"Both sides are weary and ready to make a deal. The meetings should start immediately, there is no time to spare. The death and destruction must end now!" Trump said, Fox News reported.There are no principles, like the idea of a Declaration of War being required, or George Washington's words of wisdom here. No, Trump is Mr. Wheeler-Dealer! He doesn't need no principles, political strategy and all that. He's gonna set them down and MAKE A DEAL! Oh, go screw yourself with all that, you egotistical bullshitter!
Trump, who is running for president for a third time, said the U.S.'s objective in the Ukraine war is to "help and secure Europe." However, the former president castigated Europe for not helping in the war.
Trump said the U.S.'s limit to providing assistance to Ukraine would "strongly depend" on his meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin while insisting that Europe "must pay."
The former president also argued that the U.S.'s sanctions against Russia "have not been effective" in deterring them from attacking Ukraine.Admittedly, he guy makes good political points, comparing what's going on with what we SHOULD be doing. The comment about replacing Biden is one, but would he be just OK with that, were it Ron DeSantis replacing Zhou Bai Dien?
Trump also believed the U.S. faces a high risk of a nuclear confrontation with Russia under President Joe Biden.
When asked if the U.S. should support ousting Putin from power, Trump said it is "more important" to support replacing Biden than supporting a regime change in Russia.
Trump's comments about the ongoing war in Ukraine echoed his previous remarks that he would have allowed Putin to control "certain areas" in the beleaguered country to avoid the conflict.
In his radio interview with Fox News host Sean Hannity, the former Republican president said he could have negotiated a deal with Russia and Ukraine while boasting that Russian forces did not occupy any region in Europe under his watch.
During his speech at this year's Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), Trump said he would solve the Russia-Ukraine war in one day, arguing that he knew what to say to Putin and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.Yes, he's just going to sit them down and work this all out. Bullshit works, apparently... only this is not an Amway meeting, that's the problem.
The clear difference seen here between these 2 men is not necessarily the specific answers to the questions from Tucker Carlson. The clear difference is that one man has a clear idea of the principles that decide this matter as written out in a statement, while the other says he's just the greatest dealer and talker around, so he'll just do all that stuff he's so good at and fix everything. The latter man can't even MAKE such statement, as his style of bullshitting doesn't cover "statements".
Winner by knockout here: Future President Ron DeSantis!
PS: Just out of completeness, I found that Fox News detailed the responses of not just Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis, but also Mike Pence and Kristi Noem to Mr. Carlson's questions, in the format of one question at a time. See Republican 2024 hopefuls respond to Tucker Carlson's questions about their stance on Russia-Ukraine war. The already traitorous (to the State of South Carolina) Neocon Nikki Haley's responses were added to this article too.
* I never really thought too much of this whole concept. The only people I think are the controlled opposition are those folks who continually comment negatively about anyone who fights, these commenters, bloggers, or pundits themselves being the closest thing to controlled opposition, IMO.
** Mr. Hail had more on the Neocon hive reaction (I mean, as in "the hives") in his comments:
The periodical "Jewish Insider" has sounded out the opinions of prominent persons who are condemning DeSantis for treason over Ukraine. This group of luminaries is led by Elliot Abrams, the neoconservative thought-leader. Also joining the chorus, per Jewish Insider, are Senators Lindsey Graham, Marco Rubio, Roger Wicker, John Cornyn, and Mitt Romney, and others. Rich Goldberg, a Republican bigwig, is said to donning warpaint as we speak to rally allies to the anti-DeSantis political warpath. Mike Pence, Chris Christie, and "Nikki" Haley have also now lashed out at DeSantis in similar terms. Also condemning DeSantis for treasonous disloyalty to Ukraine is Danielle Pletka. She is of the American Enterprise Institute and is the current Georgetown University chair of the Center for Jewish Civilization.Try to remember these names the next time any one of them talks about "peace".