Posted On: Tuesday - July 11th 2023 8:28PM MST
In Topics: China Kung Flu Stupidity
X-acto knives are probably not any sharper than razors, but I have fond memories of using them on hobby projects. This blog is a hobby project.
Peak Stupidity is in a quandary here, trying to put the Kung Flu PanicFest stupidity to rest while at the same time knowing that this stuff is a hit with our readers. It's got it all, a whole lot of stupid!
We've tailed off our coverage after that last spurt of posts on the Chinese '22 overblown PanicFest Coda* called Covid~Zero and discussed a few fairly belated apologies - see here, here, and here.
The origins of the Kung Flu, though important, have not been the part of this big story that Peak Stupidity was most interested in. It's been the USE of the virus to implement further Totalitarian measures that we've been most concerned with. Were the Kung Flu's origins sinister? We tend to chalk up events to stupidity more than we do to evil, but this has probably been a mixture of both.
This is a case in which common sense and perspective leads to the most obvious answer of the origins of the virus itself. I'll admit to thinking that the virus was transmitted from animals to humans (bats, in particular - see Cats, bats, and spoiled brats) early on. That post is from late March of '20) I didn't, and still don't know, any virology.
However, after reading more about the Wuhan Institute of Virology, with its connections to a Fauci-funded lab at UNC in Chapel Hill, N. Carolina and then the article by Nicholas Wade discussed here, I saw the obvious stupidity mixed with evil (bioweapons) intentions of the gain-of-function research.
3 1/2 years later, The Jerusalem Post has an article that tells us China created COVID-19 as a 'bioweapon,' Wuhan researcher claims.
China deliberately engineered the coronavirus virus as a "bioweapon," a Wuhan Institute of Virology researcher claimed this week in an interview conducted by Chinese-born human rights activist and author Jennifer Zeng.Yeah, I don't see a dime's worth of difference between "gain-of-function" research and bioweapons research. This one was a cooperative effort between Americans like Anthony Fauci and the UNC labs and the labs in China.
Researcher Chao Shao asserts that the virus was deliberately engineered by China as a "bioweapon," and that his colleagues were tasked with identifying the most effective strain for spreading among various species, including people.
During the exclusive 26-minute interview, Chao Shao shared an anecdote involving another researcher named Shan Chao, who allegedly admitted to being provided with four strains of coronavirus by a superior.Here's the interesting part:
Shan Chao was instructed to test these strains and determine which one had the greatest potential to infect multiple species, with a particular emphasis on human infectivity.
Spreading the virusDoes this military games part sound familiar to you? The very-famiiar-to-PS-readers Ron Unz has a big theory** he's been promoting for a couple years now, that it's the other way around, and the American athletes in those games were set up to transmit the virus TO the Chinese there.
Chao Shao also made sure to mention that several of his colleagues went missing during the 2019 Military World Games held in Wuhan.
According to him, one of the missing individuals revealed that they were sent to hotels accommodating athletes from different countries to "check the health or hygiene conditions." However, Chao Shao suspected that these actions were unrelated to virology research and suggested that they were potentially involved in spreading the virus.
(The article also mentions the either purposeful infection or testing of Uighur (Moslem) subjects out in Xinjiang.)
Who done it? Well, you just don't go using a bioweapon willy-nilly unless you're suicidal. OTOH, as a bioweapon to change the world, this Kung Flu was a dud. Don't get me wrong, the PanicFest generated on the pretext of a Black Death 2.0 scenario DID change the world for the worse. The virus itself was not good it you were susceptible (mainly if old, obese, and with other serious health problems), but it was still a dud as a bioweapon.
Were the Americans stupid enough to have used it on the Chinese without thinking that, "wait, contagion works two ways."? Were the Chinese stupid enough to have infected people within their own country, for testing even? I don't think that level of stupidity was involved. I go with what I know: The work was shopped out from North Carolina to China because Chinese safety measures (Q/A) are known to be lax, meaning work can be done more quickly and less expensively. It got out of the lab, probably by accident.
The fact that a virus of unknown deadliness was manufactured by both countries in cooperation, well, that's where the evil comes in.
* Per an American who just got back from China after 7 years or so, the reason the that shindig started nearly 2 years after original PanicFest was that it took until early '22 for all the iEspionage-based Orwellian controls to be put in place.
** That's our post, but one can find dozens of article under Ron Unz' s name on his site with his theory. He also tends to paste it into pretty much every other post he writes. There ain't no backing out now!
Comments:
SafeNow
Wednesday - July 12th 2023 10:53AM MST
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Above, Mr. M, you link to your March 2020 article. That article (in a footnote) refers to the high numbers of travelers from China. Yes, that math indeed proves that it would surely spread into a pandemic - - but that leaves unanswered the question of exactly how worrying the “it” was. That’s where I can help. As I have written previously, I live near the Asian massage parlor (“AMP”) capital of the United States. As early as late December of 2019, owners of some AMPs were requiring their staff to wear masks. This was totally new; flu seasons come and go, but never before were masks worn. Not exactly good for business. The owners and the staff must have realized something new and more harsh was afoot. The staff members had in some cases recently traveled to China, but in any case had intermingled with other staff members and members of their community who themselves had recently been to China. Think about the irony: AMP clientele near me who were thoughtful might well have been the first people in the U.S. (other than military intelligence) who suspected what was about to happen.
Above, Mr. M, you link to your March 2020 article. That article (in a footnote) refers to the high numbers of travelers from China. Yes, that math indeed proves that it would surely spread into a pandemic - - but that leaves unanswered the question of exactly how worrying the “it” was. That’s where I can help. As I have written previously, I live near the Asian massage parlor (“AMP”) capital of the United States. As early as late December of 2019, owners of some AMPs were requiring their staff to wear masks. This was totally new; flu seasons come and go, but never before were masks worn. Not exactly good for business. The owners and the staff must have realized something new and more harsh was afoot. The staff members had in some cases recently traveled to China, but in any case had intermingled with other staff members and members of their community who themselves had recently been to China. Think about the irony: AMP clientele near me who were thoughtful might well have been the first people in the U.S. (other than military intelligence) who suspected what was about to happen.
Dieter Kief
Wednesday - July 12th 2023 9:31AM MST
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A lab created virus coming out of a low safety bioweapon mill the US is co-funding - - - I mean: What if not that scares you, Mr. Hail? So - socio-psychologically, the origin does matter, I'd say.
Your graphs all look fine on my 27 inch NEC screen.
A lab created virus coming out of a low safety bioweapon mill the US is co-funding - - - I mean: What if not that scares you, Mr. Hail? So - socio-psychologically, the origin does matter, I'd say.
Your graphs all look fine on my 27 inch NEC screen.
Hail
Wednesday - July 12th 2023 8:26AM MST
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Thanks, and you are right about the "tables" -- Wordpress years ago allowed easy-formatting for tables but at some point stopped that. I only use the word "table" here out of habit or custom.
The project was hard to complete to my satisfaction and took time, but I don't think this data has otherwise been published anywhere in this form -- focusing on share-of-births rather than comparative TFRs, actually quite a different data-set.
In part the decision to go for share-of-births comes from discussions here at Peak Stupidity and elsewhere to the effect that the "TFR" doesn't matter as much as some people suggest, that even a society with a long-term TFRs as low as 1.5 FR or even 1.0 can survive and thrive if the core-population, culture-shaping element remains in its dominant position in share-of-births.
Got to run, be back tomorrow
Thanks, and you are right about the "tables" -- Wordpress years ago allowed easy-formatting for tables but at some point stopped that. I only use the word "table" here out of habit or custom.
The project was hard to complete to my satisfaction and took time, but I don't think this data has otherwise been published anywhere in this form -- focusing on share-of-births rather than comparative TFRs, actually quite a different data-set.
In part the decision to go for share-of-births comes from discussions here at Peak Stupidity and elsewhere to the effect that the "TFR" doesn't matter as much as some people suggest, that even a society with a long-term TFRs as low as 1.5 FR or even 1.0 can survive and thrive if the core-population, culture-shaping element remains in its dominant position in share-of-births.
Got to run, be back tomorrow
Moderator
Wednesday - July 12th 2023 7:46AM MST
PS: Mr. Hail, all the graphs look fine on this apple tablet that I'm using now. I'll check later on, on a laptop computer and my mobile phone.
Hell of an article too - I will enjoy reading it this evening - I may not post here though - your stuff and then one episode of the Rockford Files, Season 4.
Your tables are more like lists than tables. I'm about positive that's what you intended, but this is not a criticism, just making sure that's what you wanted. Tables are hard to get right - I tried to put just 2 rows in an iSteve comment - one to AnotherDad on the Cardio-vascular numbers, but it still didn't come out right. Putting these as lists is safer, I think.
Hell of an article too - I will enjoy reading it this evening - I may not post here though - your stuff and then one episode of the Rockford Files, Season 4.
Your tables are more like lists than tables. I'm about positive that's what you intended, but this is not a criticism, just making sure that's what you wanted. Tables are hard to get right - I tried to put just 2 rows in an iSteve comment - one to AnotherDad on the Cardio-vascular numbers, but it still didn't come out right. Putting these as lists is safer, I think.
Hail
Wednesday - July 12th 2023 7:37AM MST
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To Peak Stupidity friends:
Yesterday I preliminarily posted a project I'd been working on off-and-on for a month:
"A study on America’s demographic-national crisis — Early-2020s birth-data by race; and developments in the White birth-share in the USA,1920s to 2020s"
https://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2023/07/11/americas-demographic-crisis-on-developments-in-births-in-the-usa-in-the-early-2020s-and-1920s-to-2022/
Since people view things on all kinds of devices, I'd like to request some spot-checks on how the graphs look to you. There are three.
(In the era of printing-on-paper, it was easier to produce things because you had control over how it looked---as printed then distributed. Now, devices have control how things look.)
Let me know of any problems or concerns, at least with the way the graphs look to you on your viewing-device. I can change them based on this feedback. Thanks
To Peak Stupidity friends:
Yesterday I preliminarily posted a project I'd been working on off-and-on for a month:
"A study on America’s demographic-national crisis — Early-2020s birth-data by race; and developments in the White birth-share in the USA,1920s to 2020s"
https://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2023/07/11/americas-demographic-crisis-on-developments-in-births-in-the-usa-in-the-early-2020s-and-1920s-to-2022/
Since people view things on all kinds of devices, I'd like to request some spot-checks on how the graphs look to you. There are three.
(In the era of printing-on-paper, it was easier to produce things because you had control over how it looked---as printed then distributed. Now, devices have control how things look.)
Let me know of any problems or concerns, at least with the way the graphs look to you on your viewing-device. I can change them based on this feedback. Thanks
Hail
Wednesday - July 12th 2023 7:34AM MST
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Rumors of Chinese experiments with White-European-genome-targeting virus-bioweapons go back decades, I think.
I remember such things on the conspiracy rumor mill of the 2000s. There was an old conspiracy website, Rense.com, that published some such things. Maybe it was even true, but the fact is this sort of TALK was always basically contained to 'conspiracy' people -- until the 2020s, when versions of it became staples of some conservative Fox News-type media. (The early 2020s is also the time when UFOs entered a kind of mainstream; and a social-movement to convert youth to Transgenderism is moving at full force with success. The 2020s is a strange, strange time.)
Rumors of Chinese experiments with White-European-genome-targeting virus-bioweapons go back decades, I think.
I remember such things on the conspiracy rumor mill of the 2000s. There was an old conspiracy website, Rense.com, that published some such things. Maybe it was even true, but the fact is this sort of TALK was always basically contained to 'conspiracy' people -- until the 2020s, when versions of it became staples of some conservative Fox News-type media. (The early 2020s is also the time when UFOs entered a kind of mainstream; and a social-movement to convert youth to Transgenderism is moving at full force with success. The 2020s is a strange, strange time.)
Hail
Wednesday - July 12th 2023 7:31AM MST
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I agree with you that it doesn't matter what the origin is.
There are "new viruses" forming every day of every year; many are 'duds' and go nowhere, some stick around and get named "variants." And "variants" is itself a deceptive term, for every virus always-and-everywhere is a variant of something; nothing comes out of nothing, according to commonly accepted science, and if one goes for "something from nothing" one is in the realm of religion. Remember the Panic-pushers of 2020: "New, never-before-seen Apocalyptic Terror Virus! Never seen ANY-thing like this!"
Never before has any new virus triggered a social-phenomenon like the Panic of 2020-2022. The answers to why the Panic happened -- formed, sustained, triumphed, and killed or intimidated-away its enemies for so long -- the answer to this puzzle has never been virology proper, or anything about the "origins of the virus."
I agree with you that it doesn't matter what the origin is.
There are "new viruses" forming every day of every year; many are 'duds' and go nowhere, some stick around and get named "variants." And "variants" is itself a deceptive term, for every virus always-and-everywhere is a variant of something; nothing comes out of nothing, according to commonly accepted science, and if one goes for "something from nothing" one is in the realm of religion. Remember the Panic-pushers of 2020: "New, never-before-seen Apocalyptic Terror Virus! Never seen ANY-thing like this!"
Never before has any new virus triggered a social-phenomenon like the Panic of 2020-2022. The answers to why the Panic happened -- formed, sustained, triumphed, and killed or intimidated-away its enemies for so long -- the answer to this puzzle has never been virology proper, or anything about the "origins of the virus."
Moderator
Wednesday - July 12th 2023 6:33AM MST
PS: I will check out Alex Washburne's lates (on the covid origins, that is), Mr. Kief. I know you've mentioned him a lot. I think I've read one or two of his articles already.
Dieter Kief
Wednesday - July 12th 2023 1:35AM MST
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Alex Washburne -on his substack A Biologist's Guide to Life - looked back at the Cvid-origin debate in April and this is what he wrote on his substack-article, which looks back also on Alex Washburne's own articles, which are profound and very well substantiated, since Washburne had been working not least on virus construction .a.n.d. zoonotic virus-spillover:
SARS-CoV-2 emerged in China. There is an unusual lack of zoonotic evidence that contrasts with a mountain of evidence suggesting a laboratory origin. If SARS-CoV-2 emerged in a lab, it emerged in a lab funded by the Chinese government, creating a major conflict of interest.
Were the Chinese government a democratic one that safeguarded the freedom of speech, then scientists in China would be free to speak about evidence suggesting a lab origin. They could openly debate both sides of this important scientific issue, present the strongest evidence regardless of which theory it supported, and broadly I would say the science from China could be trusted.
But - he goes on: This is not the case. - And on the other hand, we had the US-government, which is a democratic one, but acted undemocratic in the SARS-Cov-II case.
Ron Unz and Israel - -well: This is another part of the story and it is a mighty deep rabbit hole.- I follow Washburne - who rejects the Bio-weapon thesis. But for everybody with mountains of spare time: Dive deep - good luck! - (I'm out though).
Ok - this is my - 5th post on PS at least, in which I refer to Alex Washburne's Covid-work; and that's because I think he knows best.
google:
Can we trust science from China? - by Alex Washburne (substack.com)
Alex Washburne -on his substack A Biologist's Guide to Life - looked back at the Cvid-origin debate in April and this is what he wrote on his substack-article, which looks back also on Alex Washburne's own articles, which are profound and very well substantiated, since Washburne had been working not least on virus construction .a.n.d. zoonotic virus-spillover:
SARS-CoV-2 emerged in China. There is an unusual lack of zoonotic evidence that contrasts with a mountain of evidence suggesting a laboratory origin. If SARS-CoV-2 emerged in a lab, it emerged in a lab funded by the Chinese government, creating a major conflict of interest.
Were the Chinese government a democratic one that safeguarded the freedom of speech, then scientists in China would be free to speak about evidence suggesting a lab origin. They could openly debate both sides of this important scientific issue, present the strongest evidence regardless of which theory it supported, and broadly I would say the science from China could be trusted.
But - he goes on: This is not the case. - And on the other hand, we had the US-government, which is a democratic one, but acted undemocratic in the SARS-Cov-II case.
Ron Unz and Israel - -well: This is another part of the story and it is a mighty deep rabbit hole.- I follow Washburne - who rejects the Bio-weapon thesis. But for everybody with mountains of spare time: Dive deep - good luck! - (I'm out though).
Ok - this is my - 5th post on PS at least, in which I refer to Alex Washburne's Covid-work; and that's because I think he knows best.
google:
Can we trust science from China? - by Alex Washburne (substack.com)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCSdbW6SNGY