Posted On: Thursday - October 12th 2023 8:43AM MST
In Topics: Music World Political Stupidity
This is how it was set up in the beginning:
Israel consists of more than that orange land right now, but it's all a very small area.
The dividing up of territory by "the experts" to dole out to nations of people, such as was done by Woodrow Wilson in 1919, the 3 big powers at the end of the "Big One", WWII, and many times throughout history, does not always sit well with the people being assigned said doled-out territory. In fairly recent history, the conglomerate called Yugoslavia broke up not so peacefully, while Czechoslovakia did is peacefully. (Then, we had Germany going the other way and re-unifying after the fall of Communist Europe.)
It's hard to do this sort of thing without a bunch of people somewhere getting screwed. People very much resent being pushed off their land, some of whom may have had family there for centuries. In the case of the creation of Israel, well, yeah, there were people living there already. By the mid 20th Century, you weren't going to find many habitable places that weren't inhabited. The huge island* of Madagascar, off the coast of southeast Africa, and over 25 times the size of Israel, was one considered by those pushing for a Jewish homeland. That might have worked out better, but then there was the question of the Holy Land.
Jerusalem, Bethlehem, Nazareth, Jericho, Bethel, Hebron, you name them, these cities from the Bible, especially from the New Testament, all have towns and cities in America named after them even. The Biblical history that went on in the location in question is important to Jews and Christians. It is, to note here, not all that important to the Moslems that were living there - they've got Mecca, Medina, and so on. Then again, they were LIVING THERE in 1947.
This is water under the bridge. I firmly believe that the US should not be militarily involved in anything happening in the Middle East. Nothing going on there requires DEFENSIVE American forces. Oh, then there's the "fight them over there, so we don't have to fight them over here" bit. That's kind of asinine to begin with, as nobody says we have to LET them over here. (More on that in the next post.)
However, when it comes to personal opinion on Israelis v Palestinians, I am on the side of the former. It's one thing to carry a major grudge over being forcibly removed from one's home. It's been 3/4 of a century now, though! You have to get over it, and live a life. Of course, the Lyin' Press over my lifetime has shown mostly the bad side of these people, but I don't know of any gleaming Palestinian cities and modern industry. If they want to live the quiet pastoral Biblical Middle-Eastern life, fine, but should they not have gotten over this 75-year struggle**?
Images of bitching and protesting and otherwise raising hell against the Israelis is the impression I have of the Palestinians. That can't be all there is to it. Still, how have they not build up their remaining land into something worth living on? Geographically and climatically, how is it different from the land of Israel? Why have the Palestinians not been nationalized by nearby Arab countries, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. They are still living as refugees after 3/4 of a century, and as Top Petty explains below, you don't have to do that!
In the meantime, here is modern-day Tel Aviv:
It's no China, but it's a modern 1st-World-adjacent (surely not physically!) country with a very capable population. Israeli domestic politics is much more lefty than I'd like, but that can be explained by ...
Money from the West, primarily the US, has helped enable the modernization of this desert land. The best numbers I can get are (nominal - '22 dollars) $2 to $2.5 Billion average annual aid over these 75 years, with 2/3 of it having been military aid.
Would the Palestinians have built modern cities, de-salinization plants, engineering schools, and the like, had they gotten that kind of money? I'm pretty sure the answer is no. It's the people, stupid, errr, it's the stupid people.
Let me sum this up: The Palestinian people got screwed out of their land 75 years ago. The Jewish inhabitants of Israel, with moral and monetary support from America, built their land into a modern place with a decent economy. The Palestinians couldn't have done that, and they aren't doing anything but remaining refugees in that forsaken land of Gaza and environs around Israel. They haven't seem to have been welcomed into the Arab countries of the area.
The Israelis are under the impression, probably correct, that the Moslems of the region are all out to destroy their land. They aren't making it better by the aggressive actions, some of it for the purpose of gaining more land, which just gives more reason for the Palestinians to hold onto their grudge.
Would it all have been different if America had just stayed out of this business? If Israel had to come up with on its own all the money it takes them to defend their land***, could they still have the economy they have? Let's just try that for a spell. The US would stop gaining ill will around the region, at least. Barring Armageddon, the blowback from that 1948 deal will probably continue. However, for the Palestinians, the best revenge at this point would be living well.
* 4th largest island in the World.
** It reminds me somewhat of those Communist Long Marches, never-ending marches, and Revolutions.
*** One could consider all the suberfuge in the US Gov't/Lyin' Press by the Israelis part of that effort, I suppose ...
Comments:
M
Friday - October 13th 2023 7:23AM MST
PS
"Why have the Palestinians not been nationalized by nearby Arab countries, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon."
They don't want them. They're not allowed into those countries. They want the Palestinians just where they are - unemployed, supported by UN and Arab donations, and readily available for any enthusiastic imam to preach jihad to them.
It means that the ones on top already in the Arab countries can export those enthusiasts, which is a steadying influence and keeps them on top.
"Why have the Palestinians not been nationalized by nearby Arab countries, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon."
They don't want them. They're not allowed into those countries. They want the Palestinians just where they are - unemployed, supported by UN and Arab donations, and readily available for any enthusiastic imam to preach jihad to them.
It means that the ones on top already in the Arab countries can export those enthusiasts, which is a steadying influence and keeps them on top.
Moderator
Friday - October 13th 2023 6:04AM MST
PS: Mr. Hail, about the results - yes, they are very heartening. I was at first wondering why success in these 2 western provinces is seen as an especially good thing, but you explained that well.
This coalition-building after elections is something that takes a lot of smarts. One must think of short-term tactics to get the seats for policy changes but also long-term strategy, say, when a right-leaning party aligns with the "greens" or whomever for expedience - against the central do-nothing party(ies). You may have nothing in common with the other, so it's not like you want to help them in the long run. It seems like it would be very tricky.
Do you mean Ron Paul's long-ago ancestors that were part of the immigration to the Hill Country of Texas way back, or was it something more recent? You keep up with this ancestry business very well.
Speaking of that, how about a post on your site about these German election results? You have your thoughts organized pretty well already?
This coalition-building after elections is something that takes a lot of smarts. One must think of short-term tactics to get the seats for policy changes but also long-term strategy, say, when a right-leaning party aligns with the "greens" or whomever for expedience - against the central do-nothing party(ies). You may have nothing in common with the other, so it's not like you want to help them in the long run. It seems like it would be very tricky.
Do you mean Ron Paul's long-ago ancestors that were part of the immigration to the Hill Country of Texas way back, or was it something more recent? You keep up with this ancestry business very well.
Speaking of that, how about a post on your site about these German election results? You have your thoughts organized pretty well already?
Moderator
Friday - October 13th 2023 5:56AM MST
PS: "I'm thinking that the Central Europe Desk guy of the Peak Stupidity Central-Information Office may be out for an extended vacation, so let me share this summary of the results:" Haha. We don't even have a desk there anymore, Mr. Hail, as it had to be used for firewood during one of the colder Winters during the rougher times of the Communist occupation.
Anyway, regarding your first comment, I'm impressed by the changes, a big reason being that some political parties are just plain outlawed in Germany. What it takes to be outlawed is determined by parties that are the potential opposition. You can't start off so right-wing or "extremist", as they would call it, or you get banned. The idea is to prevent "intolerance". One must be intolerant of intolerance, because NAZIs. In doing this, those who want to prevent Fascism from rising are acting as Fascists. Works for them... I guess...
Anyway, regarding your first comment, I'm impressed by the changes, a big reason being that some political parties are just plain outlawed in Germany. What it takes to be outlawed is determined by parties that are the potential opposition. You can't start off so right-wing or "extremist", as they would call it, or you get banned. The idea is to prevent "intolerance". One must be intolerant of intolerance, because NAZIs. In doing this, those who want to prevent Fascism from rising are acting as Fascists. Works for them... I guess...
Hail
Thursday - October 12th 2023 10:12PM MST
PS
-- German election results, a story bigger than the Palestine War --
Following from a previous comment (and tenuously connected here to the original-entry by the line "...But Germany reunified..."):
The recent elections in two large western German states (Hessen and Bavaria) was, believe it or not, considerably bigger news in Germany than the Israel-Palestine conflict. I know that conflict is receiving a bizarre level of saturation-coverage by the U.S. media (prompting several Peak Stupidity entries urging less attention). And Germany has declared its "purpose for existence" is to support Israel and the Jews (the phrase used is more-usually translated as "national interest"). But still the election knocked the Israel-Palestine war out of the top-headlines for a few days.
I'm thinking that the Central Europe Desk guy of the Peak Stupidity Central-Information Office may be out for an extended vacation, so let me share this summary of the results:
__________________
"MIGRATION DECIDES THE ELECTION"
Such was one of the headlines, as German media panicked about the non-regime and semi-anti-regime AfD matching its good polling numbers with actual results in state-governments.
Hessen-Landtag, %-seats won
- 21% AfD (+7% from 2018)
- 45% CDU+FDP (+8%)
- 34% SPD+Green (-8%)
- 0% Linke (-7%)
2/3rds of seats in the Hessen Landtag-parliament (i.e., executive+legislative branches of the state governments in their system) go to parties of the Center or Right, despite the hurdle of bloc-voting by foreigners shoring-up the SPD and Green votes.
That the AfD took 21% of seats in Hessen is an incredibly good result. It is a western state (and happens to be the ancestral-home of most of the family-tree of one Dr. Ron Paul of Texas), and the Bonn-Berlin regime that has overseen this state since the late 1940s still drumbeats that the AfD are evil, extreme, anti-democratic, fascists, beyond the pale of politics.
The other result is similar:
Bavaria-Landtag, %-seats won
- 16% AfD (+5% from 2018)
- 42% CSU+FDP (-5%) (see note)
- 18% Freie Waehler (+5%)
- 24% SPD+Green (-5%)
- 0% Linke (+0%)
note: In Bavaria, the CSU's most-natural coalition-partner, FDP, got 0% of seats, down from 5% in 2018. The CSU itself had exactly the same outcome at 42% of seats.
As it's not likely the CSU will link up with the SPD in Bavaria, the CSU will have to be more reliant on the Freie Waehler, which is center-right and impelled by protest-voters, much of it I believe being an AfD-lite. With the AfD now having one-in-six seats in Bavaria, the AfD are also poised to not be ignorable.
The best-outcome would be some implicit, tactical cooperation between the AfD and half of the Freie Waeheler delegates, which would block the CSU from a voting-majority. Normal political-parties would enforce discipline against this kind of tactical bolting, but Freie Waehler are almost necessarily not such normal politicos.
_______________
German Democracy Experts were on an angry binge of denouncing the voters. "Experts denounce voters" is a headline that would accurately characterize the situation. But what does the German regime do now?
One optimistic reading would be that the AfD "has arrived," even more-so than the recent success in Thuringia (outright control of the government of one district), gven that these are both western states. Both Hessen and Bavaria now have large built-in anti-AfD votes from Migrants and Wokeness-loyal people, the latter well-trained by some generations' worth of their system, with many "Heidi Beirichs" acting as empowered political-commissars in the way women of another era sought to limit vices like tobacco or alcohol or gambling or neglect of children or such causes as that.
People want the Migrants to go back. People want a European Future for Europe. They want something like a Japan-style migration policy, including the number "refugees" from outside Europe pegged to some number near or at zero. In outline, it's simple. But still they denounce the AfD.
It's only a matter of time before the AfD leads a state-government in eastern Germany, where several states could end up with 40% of seats controlled by the AfD next year or so. All can now feel it in the air.
Now the semi-demagogic leading political figure of Bavaria, Soeder, whose finger is always wet and placed in the air to try to see which way the wind blows, says the CDU (CSU) needs to shift to adopt AfD positions, notably on Sending the Migrants Back, in order to stop anti-democratic fascism. This man, Soeder, is not to be ignored, because he is one of the list of a dozen or so men and women potentially the next chancellor. But he is also all talk (he was also a Corona-demagogue in 2020, though maybe Mr. Kief might have a more favorable overall view of him than I.)
-- German election results, a story bigger than the Palestine War --
Following from a previous comment (and tenuously connected here to the original-entry by the line "...But Germany reunified..."):
The recent elections in two large western German states (Hessen and Bavaria) was, believe it or not, considerably bigger news in Germany than the Israel-Palestine conflict. I know that conflict is receiving a bizarre level of saturation-coverage by the U.S. media (prompting several Peak Stupidity entries urging less attention). And Germany has declared its "purpose for existence" is to support Israel and the Jews (the phrase used is more-usually translated as "national interest"). But still the election knocked the Israel-Palestine war out of the top-headlines for a few days.
I'm thinking that the Central Europe Desk guy of the Peak Stupidity Central-Information Office may be out for an extended vacation, so let me share this summary of the results:
__________________
"MIGRATION DECIDES THE ELECTION"
Such was one of the headlines, as German media panicked about the non-regime and semi-anti-regime AfD matching its good polling numbers with actual results in state-governments.
Hessen-Landtag, %-seats won
- 21% AfD (+7% from 2018)
- 45% CDU+FDP (+8%)
- 34% SPD+Green (-8%)
- 0% Linke (-7%)
2/3rds of seats in the Hessen Landtag-parliament (i.e., executive+legislative branches of the state governments in their system) go to parties of the Center or Right, despite the hurdle of bloc-voting by foreigners shoring-up the SPD and Green votes.
That the AfD took 21% of seats in Hessen is an incredibly good result. It is a western state (and happens to be the ancestral-home of most of the family-tree of one Dr. Ron Paul of Texas), and the Bonn-Berlin regime that has overseen this state since the late 1940s still drumbeats that the AfD are evil, extreme, anti-democratic, fascists, beyond the pale of politics.
The other result is similar:
Bavaria-Landtag, %-seats won
- 16% AfD (+5% from 2018)
- 42% CSU+FDP (-5%) (see note)
- 18% Freie Waehler (+5%)
- 24% SPD+Green (-5%)
- 0% Linke (+0%)
note: In Bavaria, the CSU's most-natural coalition-partner, FDP, got 0% of seats, down from 5% in 2018. The CSU itself had exactly the same outcome at 42% of seats.
As it's not likely the CSU will link up with the SPD in Bavaria, the CSU will have to be more reliant on the Freie Waehler, which is center-right and impelled by protest-voters, much of it I believe being an AfD-lite. With the AfD now having one-in-six seats in Bavaria, the AfD are also poised to not be ignorable.
The best-outcome would be some implicit, tactical cooperation between the AfD and half of the Freie Waeheler delegates, which would block the CSU from a voting-majority. Normal political-parties would enforce discipline against this kind of tactical bolting, but Freie Waehler are almost necessarily not such normal politicos.
_______________
German Democracy Experts were on an angry binge of denouncing the voters. "Experts denounce voters" is a headline that would accurately characterize the situation. But what does the German regime do now?
One optimistic reading would be that the AfD "has arrived," even more-so than the recent success in Thuringia (outright control of the government of one district), gven that these are both western states. Both Hessen and Bavaria now have large built-in anti-AfD votes from Migrants and Wokeness-loyal people, the latter well-trained by some generations' worth of their system, with many "Heidi Beirichs" acting as empowered political-commissars in the way women of another era sought to limit vices like tobacco or alcohol or gambling or neglect of children or such causes as that.
People want the Migrants to go back. People want a European Future for Europe. They want something like a Japan-style migration policy, including the number "refugees" from outside Europe pegged to some number near or at zero. In outline, it's simple. But still they denounce the AfD.
It's only a matter of time before the AfD leads a state-government in eastern Germany, where several states could end up with 40% of seats controlled by the AfD next year or so. All can now feel it in the air.
Now the semi-demagogic leading political figure of Bavaria, Soeder, whose finger is always wet and placed in the air to try to see which way the wind blows, says the CDU (CSU) needs to shift to adopt AfD positions, notably on Sending the Migrants Back, in order to stop anti-democratic fascism. This man, Soeder, is not to be ignored, because he is one of the list of a dozen or so men and women potentially the next chancellor. But he is also all talk (he was also a Corona-demagogue in 2020, though maybe Mr. Kief might have a more favorable overall view of him than I.)
Hail
Thursday - October 12th 2023 9:49PM MST
PS
The Alarmist says: "East Germany was plundered and occupied by the West, which is why AfD took off big there first."
We know that democratic electoral politics a Regime-managed game. We can use polling and election-results to an extent to get a FEEL for actual attitudes. The great success the AfD now enjoys is a fascinating puzzle-piece in this game.
A soft-ethnonationalist wing of German politics existed implicitly throughout the first number of decades of the BRD regime (1950s to 1990s). But it hasn't really existed now in some time. That makes "an AfD" politically inevitable, be it in the form of a stand-alone party or be it through a shift/takeover/logrolling of one of the existing parties.
The soft-ethnonationalist line in Germany that could be perceived as of the 1990s, and maybe into the 2000s, manifested differently depending on which party you were looking at. For most of the 20th century, even the SPD was pro-German, possibly even more pro-German than the CDU much of the time. That stopped being true by maybe ca.1990 or ca.2000 at latest, maybe earlier. But then the CDU shifted so far to the "Center" that it may well have become true again, ironically, that the SPD was more pro-German than the neo-CDU. (Remember that Thilo Sarazzin, with his "Send the Migrants Back or Die" book of 2010, was an SPD man.)
By 2005 or 2010, it was clear the implicit-ethnonationalist stratum of German politics was getting more-and-more weakly represented, which was a pan-German development and a pan-Western development of the era, 1980s, 1990s, 2000s. As a result, the Bonn-Berlin regime and its puppet-show of political-parties was becoming subject to attack "from the Right." Protest-parties here and there were popping up and having surprising successes despite the system having every lever pressed to weight things against them. There was serious successes for the overtly right-wing ethnonationalist NPD in this period, which was a shock lasting much of the 2000s just as big, at the time, as the numerically-larger successes of the AfD of recent years.
The young-male milieux by the 2000s, in many places, were full of actual or potential voters for Radical-Right parties, a soft-ethnonationalism or even hard-ethnonationalism common to find, probably the leading single element among young men of the time. Alas they didn't have the demographic momentum (TFR of x years earlier does shape some of the destiny of a given period), and the role of the USA and the mandatorily-pro-USA Bonn/Berlin regime was hostile at every opportunity, in a way that another regime would have accommodated (cf. Hungary).
The Alarmist says: "East Germany was plundered and occupied by the West, which is why AfD took off big there first."
We know that democratic electoral politics a Regime-managed game. We can use polling and election-results to an extent to get a FEEL for actual attitudes. The great success the AfD now enjoys is a fascinating puzzle-piece in this game.
A soft-ethnonationalist wing of German politics existed implicitly throughout the first number of decades of the BRD regime (1950s to 1990s). But it hasn't really existed now in some time. That makes "an AfD" politically inevitable, be it in the form of a stand-alone party or be it through a shift/takeover/logrolling of one of the existing parties.
The soft-ethnonationalist line in Germany that could be perceived as of the 1990s, and maybe into the 2000s, manifested differently depending on which party you were looking at. For most of the 20th century, even the SPD was pro-German, possibly even more pro-German than the CDU much of the time. That stopped being true by maybe ca.1990 or ca.2000 at latest, maybe earlier. But then the CDU shifted so far to the "Center" that it may well have become true again, ironically, that the SPD was more pro-German than the neo-CDU. (Remember that Thilo Sarazzin, with his "Send the Migrants Back or Die" book of 2010, was an SPD man.)
By 2005 or 2010, it was clear the implicit-ethnonationalist stratum of German politics was getting more-and-more weakly represented, which was a pan-German development and a pan-Western development of the era, 1980s, 1990s, 2000s. As a result, the Bonn-Berlin regime and its puppet-show of political-parties was becoming subject to attack "from the Right." Protest-parties here and there were popping up and having surprising successes despite the system having every lever pressed to weight things against them. There was serious successes for the overtly right-wing ethnonationalist NPD in this period, which was a shock lasting much of the 2000s just as big, at the time, as the numerically-larger successes of the AfD of recent years.
The young-male milieux by the 2000s, in many places, were full of actual or potential voters for Radical-Right parties, a soft-ethnonationalism or even hard-ethnonationalism common to find, probably the leading single element among young men of the time. Alas they didn't have the demographic momentum (TFR of x years earlier does shape some of the destiny of a given period), and the role of the USA and the mandatorily-pro-USA Bonn/Berlin regime was hostile at every opportunity, in a way that another regime would have accommodated (cf. Hungary).
SafeNow
Thursday - October 12th 2023 6:24PM MST
PS
“Would it all have been different if America had just stayed out of this business?” - Mr, Moderator
Would it all have been different if America had given many billions to the Palestinians, to build great infrastructure, education, healthcare etc. Sort of affirmative action. Give it 25 years, as Justice O’Connor would say.
Sure the Palestinian scamsters would steal a big chunk of that, but so what… with Rolexes they would at least know what time it is (does anybody really know what time it is?) What do you think the result of gigantic Palestinian affirmative-action would have been?
“Would it all have been different if America had just stayed out of this business?” - Mr, Moderator
Would it all have been different if America had given many billions to the Palestinians, to build great infrastructure, education, healthcare etc. Sort of affirmative action. Give it 25 years, as Justice O’Connor would say.
Sure the Palestinian scamsters would steal a big chunk of that, but so what… with Rolexes they would at least know what time it is (does anybody really know what time it is?) What do you think the result of gigantic Palestinian affirmative-action would have been?
The Alarmist
Thursday - October 12th 2023 2:31PM MST
PS
BTW, Germany didn’t re-unify so much as West Germany pulled off a leveraged buyout of the East... “sure, we’ll give you 1:1 on your worthless Mark der DDR.”
Having pulled that off, the Ossies poured across the open border to the West to receive oranges and other token gifts from the Wessies before going back to the homes they could still afford, followed by Wessie elites being parachuted into the new frontier of Deutschland to start filling managerial jobs and political positions that should have been filled with locals.
In short, East Germany was plundered and occupied by the West, which is why AfD took off big there first.
BTW, Germany didn’t re-unify so much as West Germany pulled off a leveraged buyout of the East... “sure, we’ll give you 1:1 on your worthless Mark der DDR.”
Having pulled that off, the Ossies poured across the open border to the West to receive oranges and other token gifts from the Wessies before going back to the homes they could still afford, followed by Wessie elites being parachuted into the new frontier of Deutschland to start filling managerial jobs and political positions that should have been filled with locals.
In short, East Germany was plundered and occupied by the West, which is why AfD took off big there first.
Moderator
Thursday - October 12th 2023 1:48PM MST
PS: That's true, Mr. Blanc. I didn't look back far enough, as I was thinking specifically of the Palestinians uprooted in 1948. Yeah, it goes back a millenium or more.
Adam Smith
Thursday - October 12th 2023 1:13PM MST
PS: Thanks, Dieter!
Origins of Hamas/Israeli War w/ John J. Mearsheimer...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUtkCbQpw-0
Cheers! ☮
Origins of Hamas/Israeli War w/ John J. Mearsheimer...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUtkCbQpw-0
Cheers! ☮
Dieter Kief
Thursday - October 12th 2023 1:05PM MST
PS
Rocks & Hard Places
John Mearsheimer (who saw everything coming) :
Israel should stop the Gaza-bombings
even though there'll be no 2-state solution
and
Urkaine "should try to cut a deal with Rusia NOW - - there'll be no better one in the future!"
See the old man here in conversation with Judge Napolitano
youtube.com
Origins of Hamas/Israeli War w/ John J. Mearsheimer
#Israel #hamas #war
Rocks & Hard Places
John Mearsheimer (who saw everything coming) :
Israel should stop the Gaza-bombings
even though there'll be no 2-state solution
and
Urkaine "should try to cut a deal with Rusia NOW - - there'll be no better one in the future!"
See the old man here in conversation with Judge Napolitano
youtube.com
Origins of Hamas/Israeli War w/ John J. Mearsheimer
#Israel #hamas #war
The Alarmist
Thursday - October 12th 2023 11:39AM MST
PS
The creation of modern-day Israel was a mistake. If King George VI was really defender of the Christian faith, he never would have assented to his government using the Christian Holy Land as a dumping ground for European Jews. They also wouldn’t have left it to the Muslims. A far better use would have been to give it to Antiochian Christians and the Eastern Christian diaspora who were pushed out by the caliphate in 630AD.
In any case, the Middle East is only a problem for the US in that neither controlling it nor destabilizing it help Anglo-American hegemony. A stable, functional ME free from Anglo-American control helps the rest of the world to pursue a system of multipolarity that cannot be plundered so easily by the Anglo-Americans and their behind-the-scene paymaster bankers.
The creation of modern-day Israel was a mistake. If King George VI was really defender of the Christian faith, he never would have assented to his government using the Christian Holy Land as a dumping ground for European Jews. They also wouldn’t have left it to the Muslims. A far better use would have been to give it to Antiochian Christians and the Eastern Christian diaspora who were pushed out by the caliphate in 630AD.
In any case, the Middle East is only a problem for the US in that neither controlling it nor destabilizing it help Anglo-American hegemony. A stable, functional ME free from Anglo-American control helps the rest of the world to pursue a system of multipolarity that cannot be plundered so easily by the Anglo-Americans and their behind-the-scene paymaster bankers.
MBlanc46
Thursday - October 12th 2023 10:49AM MST
PS Jerusalem is the third holiest site in Islam, after Mecca and Medina. It was the qibla (direction of prayer) until Muhammad got ticked off at the Jews in Yathrib/Medina and changed it to Mecca. The whole of Palestine was under Muslim rule for more than a millennium. The conflict between Muslims and Jews has been going on for far more than seventy-five years. It’s been going on since that squabble in Yathrib in the early seventh century. It’s nowt to me. I want nothing to do with it. A pox on both of them.
Adam Smith
Thursday - October 12th 2023 9:35AM MST
PS: Greetings, Achmed,
Yes. I am counting the expense of fighting the (proxy) wars for Greater Israel and keeping the military in the region.
Which craft indeed!
☮
Yes. I am counting the expense of fighting the (proxy) wars for Greater Israel and keeping the military in the region.
Which craft indeed!
☮
Moderator
Thursday - October 12th 2023 9:29AM MST
PS: "Oh, btw, the Greater Israel Project has cost the American tax cattle trillions (with a T) in just the last few decades." If you count the money spent to keep the US military in the area and fight proxy wars over the last few decades, yes, I can see it being that much, Adam.
Which craft are your referring to?
Which craft are your referring to?
Adam Smith
Thursday - October 12th 2023 9:24AM MST
PS: Spelling mistakes cost lives!
Edit: the big book of jewish 𝒘𝒊𝒕𝒄𝒉𝒄𝒓𝒂𝒇𝒕...
☮
Edit: the big book of jewish 𝒘𝒊𝒕𝒄𝒉𝒄𝒓𝒂𝒇𝒕...
☮
Adam Smith
Thursday - October 12th 2023 9:18AM MST
PS: Good afternoon, Mr. Moderator,
https://i.ibb.co/fCCFCqh/Palestine-1946-2012.jpg
In the big book of jewish whitchcraft, bible god gifted all of Greater Israel to the jews. Anyone who says otherwise is an Auntie Semite.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0305748883710108
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes–Picot_Agreement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
Oh, btw, the Greater Israel Project has cost the American tax cattle trillions (with a T) in just the last few decades.
https://img.jagranjosh.com/images/2021/May/2052021/greater%20Israel.jpg
https://www.jagranjosh.com/general-knowledge/what-is-greater-israel-why-is-the-idea-not-acceptable-to-the-muslim-community-1621507466-1
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https://i.ibb.co/fCCFCqh/Palestine-1946-2012.jpg
In the big book of jewish whitchcraft, bible god gifted all of Greater Israel to the jews. Anyone who says otherwise is an Auntie Semite.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0305748883710108
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes–Picot_Agreement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
Oh, btw, the Greater Israel Project has cost the American tax cattle trillions (with a T) in just the last few decades.
https://img.jagranjosh.com/images/2021/May/2052021/greater%20Israel.jpg
https://www.jagranjosh.com/general-knowledge/what-is-greater-israel-why-is-the-idea-not-acceptable-to-the-muslim-community-1621507466-1
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"They want the Palestinians just where they are - unemployed, supported by UN and Arab donations, and readily available for any enthusiastic imam to preach jihad to them."
"It means that the ones on top already in the Arab countries can export those enthusiasts, which is a steadying influence and keeps them on top."
Agreed. Great points!