Posted On: Tuesday - March 12th 2024 11:39AM MST
In Topics: History Geography Race/Genetics
As a likely welcome change from the recent Peak Stupidity discussion of all things immigration invasion (we WILL get back to it), the fixation on the stupidity of Zhou Bai Dien, Dark Brandon*, if you will, on The Gateway Pundit and all this not-so-secret admiring of Georgia Rep MTG, we'll try to branch out this week. This particular race/genetics tagged post is not on the usual suspects for a change, though they may be mentioned in passing.
The map above is in a hotel room in the Florida Keys. I like maps and all Geography, so I enjoy perusing these old maps where they appear, normally in touristy areas. Who was around when the explorers/adventurers were drawing these maps centuries ago? Well, if you've been to The Keys, you'll know they are pretty White. Without any stats, I could tell that from the way the hotel was run, far from the level of incompetence of a Hotel Haiti. (See also: - on Competence - - - on Caring and Conclusion.)
One can look up said stats quickly anyway, as I just did. Monroe County, Florida includes the Keys long chain of islands, though they are only 13% of the area of the county. However, the rest is all Everglade swamp, with, per wiki, 17 - yep, you read that right, seventeen - residents. (That's not counting alligators, of course.) So, Monroe County IS The Keys. (The county seat is Key West, naturally.)
66% White does not sound so high for comfort, but then the black proportion of residents is 5 1/2%. The rest are largely Hispanic - 24%. Yeah, the residents down there, maybe more than many, deem the service work unworthy of them and depend on that cheap labor. One of the Key's mayors extolled this crowd. "Industry" down there, besides the naval base, is Tourism. The White residents can live the relaxed life of the Conch Republic and depend on retirement income, real estate booms, and entertainment for income, hoping the tourists will leave them along for half the year.
That territory in the above map was Spanish with the rest of Florida, per their claims and deals. However, there were really not many people down there besides Cuban and Bahamian fishermen and pirates. Well, this Key West and Conch Republic story is too long for this post, but I'll get to the subject, which is what the above map brought up in my head.
The Spanish, with their better deal over the Portuguese, ended up settling most of South America, all of Central America, the Mexico, and for a while, that now-important land of Florida, while the other Europeans (mostly English and some French) got that still huge, but smaller, land which we call America and Canada. What is wrong with the Spanish that explains why their settled lands, civilized to an extent, became nothing like the organized, law-abiding, prosperous lands that the English settled? (Of course, that's with the later help of Germans, Scandinavians, etc, but still northern Europeans.)
I think of the Spanish people, in Spain, that is, as Europeans. That goes along the lines of the Italians and Greeks in southern Europe. Sure, things never were as organized as they were in northwestern Europe, most especially Great Britain and Germany (just as the biggest examples). Still, the Italians and Greeks in America (eventually) worked out pretty well... just don't let them run governments or anything.** The Spanish are tanned Europeans, like the others in the south of Europe. How about the influence of all the centuries of the occupation by the Moors? I'm not an HBD guy by the numbers - I'll leave that to Steve Sailer.
Though the answer to come is obvious, I did think a little about the fact that the northern Europeans got the more temperate lands, for the most part. The part of Latin America that does have a temperate climate is the "cone" of the ice cream cone-shaped S. America, the countries of Chile, Argentina, and Uruguay. They DO run better and just seem a tad bit more organized and industrious than the rest of the Spanish-conquered New World. Is it all about the climate, you know, before it changed and all? Well, see, that southern cones of S. America is better because more Europeans immigrated, whether Spanish, Italian, German, or even English.***
Of course, it's obvious that the answer to why Latin America has sucked since the time of the conquerors compared to America and Canada is the large intermixture of the Spanish "newcomers" with the natives. Even though the native inhabitants down there had some big civilizations compared to those in our land, they were still civilizations based on worshipping Sun gods and tearing out live human hears vs ones based on a saner religion and things like science and technology. It didn't take very many Spaniards with Euro developed gunpowder-powered projectile weapons to overcome the mass of natives.
Things went differently down there. Up north, the English came to live brand new lives in a land of unlimited resources, unfettered by the rules back home that they'd had a problem with. They came to build a new and better civilization. You need women, and they brought them.
The history of the Spanish Conquistadors reads as an effort to claim land for Spain and officially convert the natives to Christianity, resulting in accolades back home from Government and The Church. Then, there was the gold and silver. You didn't need accolades, as becoming filthy rich was a worthy goal too. Up north, timber and furs were the exports, but that wasn't the be-all-to-end-all for the settlers, just a way to initially support the colonies.
As for the Spanish, still, horney is as horney does, so what'ya gonna do? Now, as big a Neil Young fan as your blogger is, I don't at all trust his lyrics on the beauty of the "Cinnamon Girl"**** natives. Most look more like previously deported literal heartbreakers than Las heartbreaking Usurpadoras.
Still, in the New World without other options, the Spanish had to make do. This mixture of the native genetics in Latin America is much much higher than that in the north, where women and even intact families were imported. One might surmise that had Ponce de Leon***** actually found that Fountain of Youth, the Spaniards might have imported their wives from back home. After a few pitchers, I'd imagine they'd look pretty good. (Same goes for beer.)
That component in the resulting genetics in Latin America had not just the codes to looks and skin color, but to that savage inner nature of the Aztecs, Incas, and such. (This is reminding me to write that post on Venezuela and Venezuelan "newcomers".) A few centuries later, that's what we're dealing with.
The thing is, you don't have to continually import women to your far-away settlement. After a few generations, your own people's genes can proliferate on their own. It's a shame that the Spanish did things differently.
The city of Seattle has a piece of history involving the importation of women not from over overseas, but from across this land. Seattle and the Puget Sound region was a fairly newly developed region, as American history goes, there being almost no White presence until the middle of the 1800s. One Asa Mercer imported these "Mercer Girls" or "Mercer Maids" ("maid" not being strictly about doing laundry) from long settled and established Boston and nearby Lowell, Massachusetts. Sailing still beat overland travel, so these girls came around the ENTIRE new world, around Cape Horn and back up. They did not settle in Latin America, or settle for Latin Americans. Per wiki, regarding Mercer's 2nd, larger effort that didn't go smoothly, the initial number of women being 500, but ending up at only about 100, @ $300 apiece. Three hundred dollars!:
When Mercer returned to Seattle, he had to answer a number of questions about his performance. At a meeting on May 23, public dismay softened, probably because the women were with him.At the top of Queen Anne Hill*, on the east side of the main street, there are Boston, Newton, and Lynn Streets. At the foot of this neighborhood, just north of the "Seattle Center" Space Needle tourist complex, there is Mercer Avenue. All of them are situated east-west. I mean, 300 bucks, come on!
Mercer ended up marrying one of the women, Annie Stephens, a week later, and most of the others found husbands as well.
Bring your own women. Immigrant settlers or invaders, whatever the case, know this too. Idiotic Feral Gov't chain migration allows people to bring in wive, older relatives to babysit and collect SS, and even slaves to this new world of theirs. There's a lesson to be learned here. What other land is there to settle for us though? We could take this lesson to space even.
Then again...
* I REALLY like this one!
** OK, big exceptions should be made for Rudy Giuliani and Ron DeSantis.
*** Unfortunately, the Argentine government decreased Euro immigration a century ago to their detriment. Stupid, stupid, stupid!
**** Peak Stupidity has a post, but it was not about that song, but on Cortez the Killer. "The women all were beautiful..." I've been on the Res, and I beg to differ. Still, great guitar solos, man!!
***** ... and it's Lee-own' country for you folks in Tallahassee, if you want to get historic, not Lee'-on, as in Leon Spinks.
****** This is a leafy tony neighborhood ( with probably a few Tony's but not any To'niqua's). It sits just north of downtown and is 400-500 feet up above sea level with stupendous views on all sides.
Comments:
The Alarmist
Thursday - March 14th 2024 2:30PM MST
PS
Funny, but I tell my colleagues of all stripes and persuasions that I prefer in-person meetings so I can throw offenders out the window. I guess Iโve learned to trust no one, though I get along better with Russians better than the French and English. The Germans are generally trustworthy, but almost too trusting to a fault, which we see playing out on the world stage.
Funny, but I tell my colleagues of all stripes and persuasions that I prefer in-person meetings so I can throw offenders out the window. I guess Iโve learned to trust no one, though I get along better with Russians better than the French and English. The Germans are generally trustworthy, but almost too trusting to a fault, which we see playing out on the world stage.
Moderator
Thursday - March 14th 2024 12:47PM MST
PS: "It wouldn't surprise me if the sample of people in the U.S. cohort were not all White or Caucasian and it wouldn't surprise me if American people in general have learned (from TV, school, and other social pressures) that White/Caucasian people are the least trustworthy, intelligent, attractive, etc... "
Yes, you learn a lot from TV shows. Too bad most of it is wrong.
Yes, you learn a lot from TV shows. Too bad most of it is wrong.
Moderator
Thursday - March 14th 2024 12:46PM MST
PS: I've been very busy for a couple of days, gentlemen, so sorry for the later responses and lack of posts.
The four-panel Brandon cartoon was pretty good, Adam. Yep, Mr. Blanc, I agree, and that was very recently too. Things are changing quickly. I don't think even Mr. Brimelow could foresee the destruction happening this fast. Enoch Powell seemed to have...
Regarding that article that Mr. Kief brought up, I didn't read past the left-wing clap-trap of the Introduction, with "Although racial discrimination has been a significant social phenomenon in modern societies, interracial marriage continues to rise worldwide. It has been 56 years since a US Supreme Court ruling first made interracial marriage legal in every state, but it was not protected by federal law until the Respect for Marriage Act passed the Senate and the House in 2022"
That's not to say the rest of it isn't interesting. My theory on the trustworthy and intelligent aspect of it, though it doesn't explain the other 2 adjectives, is that in the recent past, the foreigners that we'd see, and other countries would see of us, were likely the best and brightest. There was a Greek girl in our engineering classes, and we figured they must be teaching Thermodynamics in HS, as she was that far ahead, and generally smart. They must be all smart. Then, years go by, and you meet plenty more and realize, not so much ...
Same with people from the Orient and India nowadays.
One separate point I'll make is that Westerners would see only slight Oriental (for example) features in mixed kids and see them as mostly Oriental, while Chinese people would see the same kid as mostly Western. The different features from one's own society stand out.
The four-panel Brandon cartoon was pretty good, Adam. Yep, Mr. Blanc, I agree, and that was very recently too. Things are changing quickly. I don't think even Mr. Brimelow could foresee the destruction happening this fast. Enoch Powell seemed to have...
Regarding that article that Mr. Kief brought up, I didn't read past the left-wing clap-trap of the Introduction, with "Although racial discrimination has been a significant social phenomenon in modern societies, interracial marriage continues to rise worldwide. It has been 56 years since a US Supreme Court ruling first made interracial marriage legal in every state, but it was not protected by federal law until the Respect for Marriage Act passed the Senate and the House in 2022"
That's not to say the rest of it isn't interesting. My theory on the trustworthy and intelligent aspect of it, though it doesn't explain the other 2 adjectives, is that in the recent past, the foreigners that we'd see, and other countries would see of us, were likely the best and brightest. There was a Greek girl in our engineering classes, and we figured they must be teaching Thermodynamics in HS, as she was that far ahead, and generally smart. They must be all smart. Then, years go by, and you meet plenty more and realize, not so much ...
Same with people from the Orient and India nowadays.
One separate point I'll make is that Westerners would see only slight Oriental (for example) features in mixed kids and see them as mostly Oriental, while Chinese people would see the same kid as mostly Western. The different features from one's own society stand out.
Adam Smith
Thursday - March 14th 2024 8:46AM MST
PS: Good morning, Dieter!
Wang & Miller et al. relied on an Asian, Caucasian and Asian/Caucasian biracial composites for their study. No ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ค๐ฌ! were included. (Too bad they didn't include ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ค๐ฌ! in their study. I would like to see those results.)
Interestingly, Chinese people ranked the 100% Asian photo samples dead last in every category. Chinese people judged the 100% Asian sample faces as being the least trustworthy, least intelligent, least attractive, most unhealthy, and as having the least potential for success. (Proximity breeds contempt?)
The U.S. sample wasn't much different. The people in the U.S. judged the 100% Caucasian photo samples dead last in every category. Attractiveness was a tie for last. The people in the U.S. judged both the 100% Caucasian photos and the 100% Asian photos as being the least attractive.
Apparently 30% own-race (70% other-race) is the sweet spot for all categories involved. (Judged most trustworthy, intelligent, attractive, healthy and with the most potential for success.)
Rather than proving that Chinese people and people from the U.S. have a preference for (Asian/Caucasian) biracial features, I think Wang & Miller et al. proved that Chinese people and people from the U.S. have an aversion to pictures of people from their own race. (An anti-own race bias?)
I wonder what role(s) Chinese shame culture and American White guilt culture are playing in these findings? Why do Chinese people and (U.S.) American people have these feelings of inferiority? Where/why did they learn these anti-own race biases?
Thanks for the interesting study, Dieter. What I wrote above is just my initial opinion after a quick glance of the link you provided. (I haven't even finished my morning coffee yet.) I'll take a better look at it here in a while. I'm interested in why/how people are developing these anti-own race biases. I'm also not sure what demographics are making up the U.S. sample. It wouldn't surprise me if the sample of people in the U.S. cohort were not all White or Caucasian and it wouldn't surprise me if American people in general have learned (from TV, school, and other social pressures) that White/Caucasian people are the least trustworthy, intelligent, attractive, etc...
I don't think Wang et al. proved what they think they proved.
(Anyway...)
I hope you have a great evening, Dieter! โฎ๏ธ
Wang & Miller et al. relied on an Asian, Caucasian and Asian/Caucasian biracial composites for their study. No ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ค๐ฌ! were included. (Too bad they didn't include ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ค๐ฌ! in their study. I would like to see those results.)
Interestingly, Chinese people ranked the 100% Asian photo samples dead last in every category. Chinese people judged the 100% Asian sample faces as being the least trustworthy, least intelligent, least attractive, most unhealthy, and as having the least potential for success. (Proximity breeds contempt?)
The U.S. sample wasn't much different. The people in the U.S. judged the 100% Caucasian photo samples dead last in every category. Attractiveness was a tie for last. The people in the U.S. judged both the 100% Caucasian photos and the 100% Asian photos as being the least attractive.
Apparently 30% own-race (70% other-race) is the sweet spot for all categories involved. (Judged most trustworthy, intelligent, attractive, healthy and with the most potential for success.)
Rather than proving that Chinese people and people from the U.S. have a preference for (Asian/Caucasian) biracial features, I think Wang & Miller et al. proved that Chinese people and people from the U.S. have an aversion to pictures of people from their own race. (An anti-own race bias?)
I wonder what role(s) Chinese shame culture and American White guilt culture are playing in these findings? Why do Chinese people and (U.S.) American people have these feelings of inferiority? Where/why did they learn these anti-own race biases?
Thanks for the interesting study, Dieter. What I wrote above is just my initial opinion after a quick glance of the link you provided. (I haven't even finished my morning coffee yet.) I'll take a better look at it here in a while. I'm interested in why/how people are developing these anti-own race biases. I'm also not sure what demographics are making up the U.S. sample. It wouldn't surprise me if the sample of people in the U.S. cohort were not all White or Caucasian and it wouldn't surprise me if American people in general have learned (from TV, school, and other social pressures) that White/Caucasian people are the least trustworthy, intelligent, attractive, etc...
I don't think Wang et al. proved what they think they proved.
(Anyway...)
I hope you have a great evening, Dieter! โฎ๏ธ
Dieter Kief
Thursday - March 14th 2024 2:57AM MST
PS
How's that Peakers?
Biracial Faces Perceived as More Trustworthy
and Attractive
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/14747049241238623
How's that Peakers?
Biracial Faces Perceived as More Trustworthy
and Attractive
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/14747049241238623
MBlanc46
Wednesday - March 13th 2024 9:51AM MST
PS Yes, what is now the US and Canada were more sparsely populated than Latin America before the sixteenth century. Perhaps the Spanish had no choice but to try to assimilate the Amerinds. Hence, they wound up with a Mestizo society, whereas, until recently, we had a European society.
Adam Smith
Wednesday - March 13th 2024 8:28AM MST
PS: Dark Brandon, eh?
https://i.ibb.co/WgtsC10/Dark-Brandon.jpg
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https://i.ibb.co/WgtsC10/Dark-Brandon.jpg
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Moderator
Wednesday - March 13th 2024 4:24AM MST
PS: I get the impression there were many more Indians in what became the Latin Am countries, Mr. Blanc, so that makes sense. OTOH, the Spaniard Conquistadors seemed more like cold-blooded killers when it came down to it. The Portuguese were something else. I just read a book title "Conquest" about their voyages and exploits around Africa, Arabia, and India back in the day.
Thanks, Alarmist.
Thanks, Alarmist.
The Alarmist
Wednesday - March 13th 2024 1:41AM MST
PS
Swedish/Nordic women, aside from recent imports, are a fine example of what breeding with the prettiest of the women Vikings pillaged from other European cultures can yield. AFAICT, Spaniards weren't so picky.
Swedish/Nordic women, aside from recent imports, are a fine example of what breeding with the prettiest of the women Vikings pillaged from other European cultures can yield. AFAICT, Spaniards weren't so picky.
MBlanc46
Tuesday - March 12th 2024 1:13PM MST
PS Up here, we killed the Amerinds or ran them off. We could do things our way. Down there, they turned them into peons. They remained the majority of the population. They mostly continued doing things their way.
Thx. Adam and Mod. - - - what I've heard from a friend who - was hired be the Chinese (they approached him via the internet over a twnety year old paper he wrote about- รถh - software-hardware interfaces) - - - and did hire him and he lives in China for a year now - with his wife, a med. doc, who prefers rather not to work and to enjoy China - - - ok what he says:Chinese betray day in day out on every level of interactions. - I guess that this is no secret in China.
Ahhh - a Swabian relative of mine (engine-builder at Mercedes in Stuttgart (that's about as Mercedes as you can get - btw. - I knew two of those - the other one left Mercedes and started a motor-racing workshop) - worked after his retirement for years for the Chinese in Shenzen - and they loved him to death. - Supertrustworthy, of course, and a very kind and knwowledeable man (grew up and lived in the Pietist center region of Swabia - which is: The most Swabian you can get (philosophers Hegel and Schelling stem from there too, btw.).
It is intersting to see that nobody of those who wrote about/commented on this this paper outside of PS mentioned the Black question, as far as I saw. I didnb't notice it either. - Uhhhh? A very interesting phenomenon in itself. - Thx. for noticing - and bringing it up Adam!