The Motor Law


Posted On: Saturday - March 23rd 2024 5:45PM MST
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... and Congress need not worry its pretty little head about it. Biden Regime to Finalize Regulations Targeting Gas-Powered Vehicles This Week.

The smell of volatiles, gasoline to be precise, permeated my old Red Barchetta American sports car for a couple of days. It took me 1 hour total to fix it: discovering the cracked fuel line, getting 6' of 3/8" I.D. reinforced rubber line for 13 bucks (I kept 75% of it for after the Motor Law), and installing 18" of new line with the 2 hose clamps.

I'll give E.V.'s credit for being simple, but this old one is not complicated either, and guess what? I'm not turning it in to Zhou Bai Dien based on a bogus excuse of some Climate Calamity™.



Peak Stupidity embedded this great 1981 Rush song before long ago. (From Moving Pictures) Drummer Neil Peart's lyrics were Libertarian with a bent toward Science Fiction. Well, the future is now.

My uncle has a country place that no one knows about.
He says it used to be a farm, before the Motor Law.
And now on Sundays I elude the eyes, and hop the turbine freight
to far outside the wire where my white-haired uncle waits.

Jump to the ground as the turbo slows to cross the borderline.
Run like the wind as excitement shivers up and down my spine.
But down in his barn, my uncle preserved for me
an old machine for fifty-odd years.
To keep it as new has been his dearest dream.

I strip away the old debris that hides a shining car,
a brilliant Red Barchetta from a better, vanished time.
We'll fire up the willing engine, responding with a roar.
Tires spitting gravel, I commit my weekly crime.

Wind, in my hair, shifting and drifting...
Mechanical music ... adrenaline surge.

Well-oiled leather, hot metal and oil, the scented country air.
Sunlight on chrome, the blur of the landscape, every nerve aware.

Suddenly ahead of me, across the mountainside,
a gleaming alloy air-car shoots towards me two lanes wide.
Oh, I spin around with shrieking tires to run the deadly race.
Go screaming through the valley, as another joins the chase.

Ride like the wind, straining the limits of machine and man.
Laughing out loud with fear and hope, I've got a desperate plan.

At the one-lane bridge I leave the giants stranded at the riverside,
race back to the farm, to dream with my uncle at the fireside.


Well, you either like Geddy Lee's vocals or you don't. The guitar leads and the harmonics by Alex Lifeson are exquisite.

Per Neil Peart, these lyrics were inspired - he couldn't get a hold of the guy with questions - by one Richard Foster, who'd written a story of the sad future of motoring for Nov. '73 Road & Track magazine. It was called "A Nice Morning Drive".

Comments:
J1234
Monday - March 25th 2024 11:41AM MST
PS-

Adam said: "239?"

Very good! I'm impressed. They only made the 239 (y-block) in '54. Thanks for the info and pics! I love the '62 Galaxie you poted. Very nicely done.

I also have a '61 FoMoCo with an FE engine in it, which is the one I converted. That conversion was easy; as I recall, I just removed the road draft tube from the outlet, and the outlet was the same size as the rubber hose needed to accommodate the valve. I was hoping that would be the situation with my Y-block, but it wasn't. I'll research the items you linked to. (I don't dare add up the money I've spent at Carpenter's and Mac's over the years.)

Maybe my nose is less sensitive than it used to be, or the engine is in a better state of tune, but the draft tube fumes don't seem to be as bad as they were when I first bought my '54 (20 years ago.) I don't think I'm imagining that, either - when I took my wife for a ride a couple of years ago she said it didn't smell as bad it used to. Probably the oil rings have sealed up better. The car hadn't been used much in decades by the previous owner.

Thanks again..talk to you later.
Dieter Kief
Monday - March 25th 2024 12:27AM MST
PS

Oh  Adam - - -thx. for the Jean Paul TITAN link. The translator also wrote a nice and short foreword. But I think the book is rather unreadable for people not somewhat familiar with Jean Paul - - and even those . . . the thing is: Jean Paul for sure was one of the brightest writers that there were - but he was also an alcoholic and so his - enormous knowledge floats through his texts in very wild ways. I wonder if there is even one english-speaking scholar right now who is into Jean Paul. There were some in German when I was a student, but this group is dying out too, me thinks - - - . 
 
But: There .a.r.e. pearls in Jean Paul's works - and those I'm diving around in TITAN for and do present some - as I did with Goethe's late and very little read novel Journeyman's Years before.

I didn't know that the Alfa romeo Barchetta is so expensive by now. It once was called the poor man's Porsche Targa....This seems to be bygone times...Maybe already too much for Rush members?

Then - the also quite elegant FIAT Barchetta might do - for 10 000 maybe - if not even less in decent conditions.

Perfect on country roads - but in the city too!

I know a German journalist and - novel writer (he wrote a very interesting novel about the crash of the DotCom bubble called "Liquidity") - and he is a great and very special writer of impressionistic journalistic pieces with roundabout 3000 words in which he writes in depth about the traffic-light coalition in Germany and regular/ordinary people's reactions. He writes under the Alias Don Alphonso (a Mozart opera character).

He has a big readership and hundred-thousand twitter-followers and rides the bike for hundreds of kilometers / per week  and other than that a fifteen year old 3 liter Mercedes Coupé he bought used - very cheap.

He also drove the Fiat Barchetta for a while and - he owns an old town house in the Audi-citiy Ingolstadt and there in the yard - his old Fiat stands - right across the (very interesting) Jesuit church, just in case somebody would want to travel to Ingoldstadt at the Danube river near Munich... excuse me: Ingolstadt - no gold in the word... 

2007-04-28 (1) Fiat, Bj. 1997 (bearb) - Fiat Barchetta – Wikipedia 

Very good 30 or so years old Fiat Barchettas sell for 10 000 right now.
The Alarmist
Sunday - March 24th 2024 7:44PM MST
PS

Dallas indeed. I have a meeting there tomorrow, but brought Mrs. Alarmist along to show her the Hill Country through the end of the week.

Maybe I’ll get JoJo and Chip Gaines to find us a fixer-upper in Waco so we can bug out of Europe, assuming the US doesn’t collapse first and worst.
Moderator
Sunday - March 24th 2024 6:24PM MST
PS: Welcome to PS Car Talk, readers. I like it!

Back not to the original post, but at least Mr. Loaf, yeah, I'd forgotten about that whole deal with his being killed in so many movies. I did see he alive and then the fake body in Rocky Horror. I must have seen the scene in "Fight Club", but since I hate that movie so much, I don't remember it. I am in a 12-step program for people who hate "Fight Club". ;-}

All the rest of the movies and shows that for which you described the on-screen demise of Mr. Loaf I haven't seen.
Moderator
Sunday - March 24th 2024 6:20PM MST
PS: J1234 and Adam, this car does have a PCV line. It still smells like gas occasionally, but that's when I let off the gas after acceleration. Mechanic friend (50 years of this work) says it the valve guide seals.

He's the guy I first asked when I started smelling gas all the time a few days back (inside and outside the car). He told me that even the smallest leak will put out a lot of the smell. There was no fuel dripping - that was a good thing. I took off the air cleaner housing, and looked with my flashlight. Wow - right there - it was the hose, which was the easiest fix of anything it could have been!

I got a feeling I pinched that hose when I was prying the alternator around to change the belt. That makes perfect sense, timing-wise, in fact. Therefore, though the hose was a few years old anyway, this was a self-induced problem.

Re, the use of the older parts that aren't as good (as, say, the PCV), I agree. I don't need to have everything original - not unless the original really is better. In fact, the front cap of the car body is not the same model year, since someone ran into the car. I don't mind that, except that the openings don't give as much air to the radiator for cooling. I could tell that right away.
Peak Stupidity Book Club
Sunday - March 24th 2024 6:19PM MST
PS: The Project Gutenberg eBook of Titan: A Romance v. 1 (of 2)
by Jean Paul Friedrich Richter

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/35664/35664-h/35664-h.htm

☮️
Adam Smith
Sunday - March 24th 2024 6:13PM MST
PS: Good evening, J1234!

239?

I agree. Draft tube fumes are unpleasant. That's why the gentleman who owned that 292 galaxie wanted the draft tube deleted. (Not that the car was 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 unpleasant. But it would stink a little when sitting at the traffic light going into town.)

I also understand not getting around to less important projects. (Probably why I still have that draft tube and haven't listed it on ebay.)

There is definitely a market for old parts and a market for new parts for old cars. The gentleman who owned that old Galaxie wanted to keep it as original as possible too...

https://i.ibb.co/DMgTjRJ/galaxie-1.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/7y7zq0P/galaxie-2.jpg

(Damn... It's been 8 years since I worked on that car‽)
(Where does the time go?)

While figuring out how I was going to delete the draft tube but keep it as original as possible I found this picture with parts numbers from a y-block without a draft tube...

https://i.ibb.co/HYq4P7L/292-pcv.jpg
(Perhaps this was a california compliant y-block car? or some little bit later model or something?)

Which began my search to find a C1AE-6A665-G vapor/fume separator for the valley pan.

https://i.ibb.co/Bnn6qZY/PCV-6-A665.jpg

Which I, eventually, did! (That was the hardest part of the whole draft tube to pcv valve project. Surely I could have rigged up something like this...)

https://i.ibb.co/tJCftTZ/idea-1.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/PFzq5r2/idea-2.jpg

But it did look "more original" with the C1AE-6A665-G adapter installed. (Not that many people would ever see it. Ever fewer would care.)

When looking for old Ford parts I've found Dennis Carpenter and Mac's Autoparts to be helpful...

https://www.dennis-carpenter.com/
https://www.macsautoparts.com/

But, as you know, when working on old stuff sometimes you have to search around until you find what you're looking for and, unfortunately, there is no one place to find everything. (Or, you have to make parts yourself, or buy them from a specialty fabricator or whatever you gotta do.)

But, yeah... That's my story about the draft tube sitting in my shed.

I hope you have a great evening! ☮️
Moderator
Sunday - March 24th 2024 6:13PM MST
PS: Adam, I'm trying to picture what the Steinberger bass strings page means by "With a minimalist "headless" design and tuners placed on a tailpiece mounted to the front of the guitar," that is, how the adjustment works. I'll look at the ebay pics.

I kinda see now. Instead of being wound, the holding point at the "picking" end can be moved by maybe fine-pitch screws. They are cool looking - I wonder if they cost more or less than that $5,000 or so back 40-45 years ago when Geddy Lee got his. I imagine it was more in real dollars.

Well, this is really disjointed, but what the heck, I saw your short comment afterwards with the link. It says:

"The knob on the back, then is used to tighten the string to pitch. As an interesting aside, rather than winding a string around a post, the tuner actually pulls the string into the headstock. Very interesting. As a down side – you need to clip the string really close to the post to prevent what you see in the photos – namely strings popping out of the headstock."

Yes, the higher the ratio the easier to get the pitch right, but it takes long to quickly change the tuning, of course.
Moderator
Sunday - March 24th 2024 6:03PM MST
PS: "I present the genius Jean Paul's novel TITAN (1800-1803) on X " I look forward to the story on the Silver Screen, Mr. Kief. ;-} (Nah, but it sounds like there might just be an English version out there...?)

Probably the same here, Mr. Blanc, but then things are moving more quickly than the Sci-Fi books (and Rush songs) would have had me believe.

Adam, the electronics of the car itself, and I suppose those that control the electric motors may be very complicated, but then aren't all the electronics in modern cars complicated? I was thinking of the motor/drive-train of an IC engine car. Just the valve-train part of it... man, I've thought long and hard about another way to have intake and exhaust without the cams and all that, but it just ain't easy. The pressure during the explosions in there is something around 1,000 psi. The sliding, rotating, whatever motion you have, has got to still seal at high P and Temps.

With the electric motor, there are no cams, no valves, no injectors/carbs, no manifolds, no cooling system (I think?), and no transmission either.

That doesn't mean I want one though. Also, as with that Kung Flu jab, trying to force one on me is not the way to go.
Adam Smith
Sunday - March 24th 2024 5:41PM MST
PS: Dallas? ☮️
The Alarmist
Sunday - March 24th 2024 5:07PM MST
PS

Ironic that you discuss Mr. Loaf, because at the moment I’m literally a couple miles from his old high school.
J1234
Sunday - March 24th 2024 4:05PM MST
PS-
Hi, Adam Smith. The Ford Y-Block that I have predates the 292, and I've bought old original parts for it on eBay. I think there's a decent market for old engine parts, even less essential parts like road draft tubes. There are many AACA type old car people who go for originality rather than optimal function, so you might try eBay to move the part.

I like cars in the spirit of the original, but don't want to deal with involved or messy original stuff that's peripheral (for instance, oil bath air filters.) Draft tube fumes are unpleasant, IMO. The reason I didn't convert my old Ford to PCV was because the crankcase vent was a bit too large to transition to a typical sized PCV valve. Couldn't find a kit back then. I could probably make it work, but I have other projects.
Adam Smith
Sunday - March 24th 2024 2:21PM MST
PS: Greetings, Dieter!

The Alfa Romeo Barchetta is indeed a beautiful car...
(It's probably a whole lot of fun too!)

https://i.ibb.co/FqmT1Q9/1952-Alfa-1900-ATL-Barchetta.jpg

When compared to the Ferrari 166mm Barchetta it is practically a steal at a mere £200,000...

https://www.iconicauctioneers.com/1959-alfa-romeo-atl-rec10724-1-silverston-0721

https://www.supercars.net/blog/1948%E2%86%921950-ferrari-166-mm-barchetta/

Apparently there were only 25 Ferrari 166mm Barchettas produced, thus the $2-3 million price tag.

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Mr. J1234 said, “I converted one to PCV, but the other still has its draft tube.”

Which kinda reminds me, (not that I was thinking about it, and not that anyone was wondering, but) I have an old draft tube from a 292 y block out back. I thought about selling it on ebay, but I'm pretty sure there isn't a market for such a thing. I mean, surely anyone with one of these engines would add the PCV valve? Wouldn't they?

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=ford+292+draft+tube

Seriously though, I don't know why anyone would need one of these. The PCV conversion is as simple as it is cheap and it just makes sense.

☮️
Dieter Kief
Sunday - March 24th 2024 1:11PM MST
PS
Ha! Adam - the Ferrari Barchetta .i.s. a beautiful thing - - - -
but - - - way! too expensive for Rush-memebers - or so I thought - and came up with the alfa romeo (a very! nice car).
J1234
Sunday - March 24th 2024 1:05PM MST
PS-
"The smell of volatiles, gasoline to be precise, permeated my old...American sports car for a couple of days. It took me 1 hour total to fix it: discovering the cracked fuel line, getting 6' of 3/8" I.D. reinforced rubber line for 13 bucks (I kept 75% of it for after the Motor Law), and installing 18" of new line with the 2 hose clamps."

I seem to get fuel line leaks with my old cars more often than my new(er) daily drivers, but then I occasionally take the carbs off or replace inline filters, and always try to reuse the fuel lines. I find I can do that once or twice, then need to replace the fuel line, but rarely do. I'll never learn - or my former 17 year old cheapskate self refuses to die, I'm not sure which.

The truth is, my old cars smell like gas whether they leak fuel or not. Both of them are pre-PCV, which means they were designed to dump crankcase fumes into the open air. I converted one to PCV, but the other still has its draft tube. I'm guessing my emissions would register "insurrectionist" on the test gauge.

Adam Smith
Sunday - March 24th 2024 10:51AM MST
PS: One more thing...

As long as we are talking about Steinberger and tuners (The adjustment worm-gear mechanisms for string tensioning), has anyone seen (or used) these...

https://guitarchitecture.org/2010/10/13/steinberger-gearless-tuners-review/

Cheers! ☮️
Adam Smith
Sunday - March 24th 2024 10:36AM MST
PS: Good afternoon Mr. Blanc, Dieter and Achmed!

His name was Robert Paulsen.*

Where to begin...

Let's start with Red Barchetta. The Alfa Romeo Barchetta?
Lol, well... Not exactly...

https://i.ibb.co/rxG8wXz/1948-Ferrari-166-MM-Barchetta.jpg
https://tinyurl.com/4bdzrxpa
https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/auto/166-mm

And, as usual, I agree with Achmed. Alex Lifeson is one of the world's best rock guitarists.

Though I'm not sure that I would agree that EVs are "simple". They probably could be. But as they are currently produced, they are not. Mostly because they are like cell phones on wheels in order to meet "government" diktats. More of an appliance than a car really.

EVs (like Jehovah's Witnesses) have no soul. (Anyway...)

https://www.businessinsider.com/electric-car-ev-fake-engine-sound-hyundai-dodge-toyota-2023-7

Moving on...

The Steinberger L2 bass. I know you asked me about this once before, Mr. Moderator, but I didn't give you any details at the time. (I just answered your question about what it was.)

http://www.steinbergerworld.com/L-series.htm
https://www.steinberger.com/Steinberger-History.html

Geddy began using the Steinberger L2 during the Signals tour in 1982 and used it until the Power Windows tour in 1986. Grace Under Pressure was recorded using the L2.

Fun Fact(?): If I remember correctly, Sting adopted the L2 before Geddy Lee did.

https://reverb.com/item/80279001-steinberger-l-2-1983-all-original

What made the Steinberger L2 (and XL2) bass truly revolutionary in the late 70's - early 80's wasn't the headless tuners (as unique as that feature is), but the carbon graphite composite body and the active electronics.

Approximately 1500 L2's and less than 50 L1's were produced. (So good luck finding one in meat space...)

Unlike regular guitars, Steinbergers use double ball end strings. (As the name implies, there is a ball on both ends of the string.)

https://juststrings.com/steinberger-double-ball-bass-guitar-strings.html

Most of the "original" Steinberger headless basses you'll find are of the XL2 variety. (They made a few thousand of those in Newburgh NY.)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/176232353303
https://www.ebay.com/itm/355497922301
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276366834024

https://www.talkbass.com/threads/steinberger-l2-or-xl2-what-is-the-real-difference.293469/

But be not afraid! If you're looking for a headless bass (or guitar) because you like the look and feel of it, but you're not really picky about that active electric sound or looking to own a piece of music history you may find a "Steinberger licensed" Hohner B2 or a "Spirit by Steinberger" bass to be a bit more your speed. For example...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/404531044658
https://www.ebay.com/itm/185801199892
https://www.ebay.com/itm/256450861322
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276395183879

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrDj5XvZXX4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxwRzW6ehAU

From a 1984 issue of Guitar World magazine:

“I like the Steinberger a lot. I started using it just before the Signals tour, somebody said ‘try this’ and it sounded great. It’s got quite a different sound from my other bass-the bottom end is really rich, deep, it almost has a synthesized bottom end. It doesn’t sound like it should sound going by the theory that big-bodied basses have a deep, resonant sound. This has got a little plastic body with a battery in the back and the bottom end sounds rich as hell.”

“It doesn’t sound natural, but it sounds real interesting. On some of the new songs I like the punch of the Steinberger but on some of the older things like ‘Digital Man‘ I still use the Rickenbacker. I still love the Rickenbacker and I’m actually more comfortable on it. I sort of feel obligated in a way to represent its sound on the songs that were written around it. It’s kind of nice to switch back and forth.”

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* Meatloaf Film Deaths:

• The Rocky Horror Picture Show (1975) [Eddie]: Hacked to death with an axe (off-screen) by Tim Curry in a meat locker; we only hear the blows after Tim chases him into the locker. His mutilated body (obviously a dummy) is shown afterwards when Tim uncovers the glass table after serving him to his dinner guests.

• Out of Bounds (1986) [Gil]: Shot in the throat by Raymond J. Barry.

• Black Dog (1998) [Red]: Killed in an explosion when he crashes his truck while trying to kill Patrick Swayze. (Thanks to Michael)

• Fight Club (1999) [Robert 'Bob' Paulsen]: Shot in the head by police while running away with the other members of Project Mayhem; his body is shown afterwards after they bring him back to Fight Club's headquarters.

• Blacktop (2000) [Jack]: Killed when his truck goes over a cliff. (Thanks to Blackkat)

• Formula 51 (The 51st State) (2001) [The Lizard]: Explodes after he drinks an explosive formula that Samuel L. Jackson had slipped into Meat Loaf's drink. (Thanks to Bailey, Debi, ND, Matt, and Anthony)

• Trapped (2001) [Jim Hankins]: Falls to his death when the floor of the burning hotel collapses beneath him. (Thanks to Blackkat)

• The Salton Sea (2002) [Bo]: Shot to death by either Anthony LaPaglia or Doug Hutchison during a robbery at Meat Loaf's hotel/drug lab.

• BloodRayne (2005) [Leonid] Dies after being exposed to the sun which causes his body to burn and turn into a pile of ash after Michael Madsen destroys the windows in the room holding out the light.

• Stage Fright (2014) [Roger McCall]: Slashed across the stomach with a buzzsaw by Allie MacDonald as he's trying to kill her, after Kent Nolan plugs in the buzzsaw while Allie is holding it against Meat Loaf's stomach.

• Magnificent 7 (20lazy) only watched 20min so I have no further info. Noticed meatloaf on screen and wondered how many times has he died on film. Google got me here.

Meatloaf Television Deaths:

• Monsters: Where's the Rest of Me? (1988) [Dr. Willard Wingite]: Hit in the chest with an axe and heart removed by the undead Frank Tarsia, who then implants the heart into his own body.

• Tales from the Crypt: What's Cookin'? (1992) [Chumley]: Killed (off-screen) by Judd Nelson; his body is shown afterwards hanging in the meat locker when Judd shows it to Christopher Reeve.

• Nash Bridges: Wild Card (1997) [Charlie Pep]: Shot in his motorboat by James Pax's thugs.

• Masters of Horror: Pelts (2006) [Jake Feldman]: Bleeds to death after skinning off his torso; he dies while struggling with Ellen Ewusie in an elevator. His body is shown again when Link Baker and the police discover him.

(So, yeah. That's about all I have to say about that...)

Happy Sunday! ☮️
MBlanc46
Sunday - March 24th 2024 10:21AM MST
PS Fortunately, I’ll be with my ancestors when personal transport for the proles is eliminated.
Dieter Kief
Sunday - March 24th 2024 8:50AM MST
PS
People like the obese drugists as Meatloaf was one die early, sigh; such is life - and he might well have seen it coming...
I present the genius Jean Paul's novel TITAN (1800-1803) on X - - and in it Jean Paul pretty much - presents the problem of the anorectic a-sexual willing-to-die - young women's vegetarianism - with refrences to two English pioneers in scoial medicine by the name of Eduard Hill & Thomas Beddose (1760-1808), who even quantified this phenomenon and came up with approx. 8000 dead/year for England!
Super fascinating: Jean Paul said that the anorectic and flat-brested (!) pale (!) young ladies somehow flirt with death and when they finally die as married young women, their adeath is wrongfully linked to the marriage, because they were firm guests on death-lane well before they got married - but heir husbands or their marriages get the blame nevertheless! (TITAN p. 301 - 302 in the German edition).
Moderator
Sunday - March 24th 2024 6:55AM MST
PS: Since I was reading up on Meatloaf:

"Meat Loaf said that he did not believe in climate change. In an interview with the Daily Mail in 2020, he called Greta Thunberg "brainwashed" due to her views on climate change, saying: "I feel for that Greta. She has been brainwashed into thinking that there is climate change and there isn't. She hasn't done anything wrong but she's been forced into thinking that what she is saying is true.”

Criticism of COVID-19 rules.

He was critical of the COVID-19 lockdowns during the COVID-19 pandemic, telling the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in August 2021, "I hug people in the middle of COVID ... I understood stopping life for a little while, but they cannot continue to stop life because of politics." He opposed mask mandates and described a person who called for people on airplanes to wear masks as a "Nazi" and "power-mad". Meat Loaf then said: "If I die, I die, but I'm not going to be controlled."

He is said to have died possibly FROM the Kung Flu, but at least WITH it. OTOH, he'd had electrical heart problems for 2 decades already and some other health problems, some of which had him bailing out on the tours. Personally, besides the Stones and what's left of The Dead, I think they should quit touring based on old age. (The problem is, there's nothing much else good out there. I do want to see Al Stewart too.)

On the 3rd hand, he was one fat guy most of his life, and the Kung Flu did affect obese people more. Was he obese? Pretty close, I'd say, but he tried - he'd been a vegetarian for over a decade, starting in '81.
Moderator
Sunday - March 24th 2024 6:48AM MST
PS: Meatloafy? I remember Meatloaf, if that's who we're talking about, as a guy who sang old-style Rock & Roll. I loved his stuff from "Bat out of Hell" and the "Rocky Horror Picture Show" movie/soundtrack. Some of his stuff from the late '70s could have have been from the '50s.

Rush, in contrast, has a much more modern sound IMO. The look of their band was modern too - I remember seeing Geddy Lee's bass guitar with no visible tuners*. That was very modern in the early '80s.

Meatloaf, sometimes one word, sometimes two, born Michael Lee Aday in Dallas, Texas, died unfortunately a couple of years back. Neil Peart, drummer and lyricist of Rush, died 4 years back.


* The adjustment worm-gear mechanisms for string tensioning.
Dieter Kief
Sunday - March 24th 2024 12:16AM MST
PS
Uhhh - Meatloafy - - - guitar-style 'n' all - singin' too.
Red Barchetta? Alfa Romeo Barchetta?
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