Tucker/iSteve interview: the Kung Flu question


Posted On: Friday - June 28th 2024 10:01PM MST
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After looking at parts of this interview the 2nd time around, I knew exactly why I could see a question about the Kung Flu coming from Tucker about 2 seconds before Tucker came out with it. As he's written in his book and has talked about in recent talks (usually in the summary), Steve Sailer again brought up his social commentary bread & butter. That is, he explains (01:17:45 - 01:18:43) that the personal, local anecdotes and observations we make cannot be unconnected to the results of analysis of lots of data ("This higher world of The Science", as Tucker chimes in "The world of data") on the same issues. As he says, "There's just one reality out there." and "It all tells pretty much the same story."

Here Mr. Sailer is, explaining to Tucker this philosophy. Yes, we have play-by-play commentary here at Peak Stupidity:



As iSteve finished up on this sound point that I've heard before from him, I had the thought "OK, well, how'd all that apply to the Covid one-niner PanicFest, Steve?" Because thoughts fly pretty fast sometimes, I remember thinking just after that "I guess he's not gonna touch the Kung Flu issue, and good idea there too!" Then, Tucker says (more play-by-play) at 01:18:44 - he can't help himself here, I think - "But why is it? ... we don't mean to get into Covid, but ..."

Ahaaa! I kind of agree with the general thoughts of E.H. Hail on this, at least as he's told us about the Tucker network TV show, that what's going to be discussed is planned ahead of time. At least on the Kung Flu, from the way this went down, that's what I think. Likely iSteve didn't want to get into that one, as, that period just wasn't one of his better stretches of Noticing, March to June of '20.



So Tucker probably slipped up there, but I LUV LUV LUV his point. He didn't ask a question. and he talked for a while, saying something I've personally said a lot. Not only do I not know anyone who's died from the Kung Flu, I don't (knowingly) know anyone who KNOWS ANYONE who died from it.* Tucker said this with different wording, talked about knowing people who died from the vaccine, continued with a his amazement at the PanicFest, and then simply let iSteve talk, with no question asked (at 01:19:22).

"Yeeeahhhh", started iSteve, but that's just one of his thinking modes. I am pretty sure he doesn't agree with Tucker's view. At this point, he went to one of his points from at least one post (that I did read) in that Spring of '20, lists of deaths of prominent people (celebrities) who died of Covid. I easily found one specific article, Mean Age of Celebrity COVID-19 Deaths: 78.5, from May 21st of '20. (Anyone else remember that stuff?) In this case it was former NY Mets star pitcher Tom Seaver (baseball too!) who Mr. Sailer brought up.

The logic of his answer is... unsound. Watch for yourself (01:19:23). He admitted that Tom Seaver, not that old at 74, had dementia (Tucker brought up Parkinsons) and "didn't have the good life ahead of him". iSteve says that we weren't aware of these people who were "no longer in the public eye". Why did they have to be in the public eye for us to know them? We're not all celebrity worshippers. (Did it help a lot not to have a TV, like the Amish?) There are plenty of old people near me, and none of them I know died of the Kung Flu. Then we come to that question again, did, say, I dunno, Tom Seaver, die OF the Kung Flu or just WITH the Kung Flu?

At 01:21:12, Tucker moved on. I need to move on.

With all this excellent Social Science Noticing, in Spring of '20, Steve Sailer didn't notice the problem with the Totalitarian measures being enacted using this virus as an excuse. He got sucked into it all for a while. I am not holding a grudge here. I agree with 98% of iSteve's explanations of Social phenomena. He shouldn't have to say he's sorry**, as we didn't have to read him and agree for a few months there. He got better. It's just that Tucker brought this up, and, well, those 2 1/2 minutes had me siding with Tucker over iSteve, in what didn't seem like a point of contention but was.


* There is an exception in that Mr. MBlanc46, commenter here, has stated that he knows someone who died from it.

** Saying "I was wrong" would be in order though.

Comments:
E. H. Hail
Sunday - June 30th 2024 9:03AM MST
PS

-- Anecdote of someone I know said to have died of Covid --

I know someone who died around late March 2020 or early April 2020. She was in her late seventies and not doing well, health-wise, as of the last time I saw her (around August 2019). (When you know a person over a period of time, you can see things that are "off." It could be a fluke, it could be a cold, but as of August 2019 she was doing visibly worse.)

When she died, people started declaring that she had died of Covid. This rumor spread and a lot of people took to it. It became perversely exciting during the peak-Panic period, a 'demand' people could 'consume' to match what the Panic had primed them for.

This woman was unmarried and had no children. Later her brother took charge and sent out an email explaining her cause of death: a sudden attack of diabetes. The death had nothing to do with Covid.

A lot of people like and respected this woman, and it doesn't matter what her exact cause of death was, you might say. In some ways, "Covid" was a death-cult in which any death could be subsumed into the larger thing, a way of social-scale mourning like you'd see in North Korea at the death of the president.

The Covid-Panic of the moment facilitated and celebrated deaths in a way that normal times wouldn't, so this woman's death got more attention than it might have had she died in 2019 attributed to diabetes.

I suspect that a lot of the "deaths of Covid" that you hear will be some versions of the above. It was a kind of script, active from March 2020 onward for a while.

Of people in the prime of health who died: I not onlw no on such cases among people I know, or even second-order "friends of friends," but even in the data there is no definite indication any such people died. A few flukes here and there are not something to rest a data-based case on. In any case, the Deaths of Despair and drug-overdose and other causes absolutely swamp any healthy-person Covid-deaths, by orders of magnitude.

I had an Sailer-at-Unz comment up recently about the caluclatable chance of suicide among Whites up to age 45, which increased in the 2000s and crested in the mid-2010s and has held there, which I explained like this: If you were in a high school class of 400 Whites, formerly you could statistically expect 2 to die by suicide; now it was 3. That's still a low number, you say, but the odds it's you or someone you know and love, are way up. The tragedy is induced by the anti-white system, as I'd see it; that alone is a much, much larger factor on deaths among prime-age Whites than "Covid," and no one ever talked about it, except Sailer and a few other out-of-mainstream oddballs starting in the mid-2010s.
Adam Smith
Sunday - June 30th 2024 8:40AM MST
PS: Good morning, everyone!

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0379073824001968

I know two people who died with the most sinister of viruses.

The first was a very sickly woman who had COPD and some sort of nasty chronic pneumonia for the last ~8 years of her life. She was an avid cigarette smoker. Suzy spent her last decade living in a nursing home. She was in her younger 80's when SARS-CoV-2 took her from the world prematurely. RIP Suzy.

The other person I know who was killed by the improper care that was so often administered during the height of PanicFest was a bit closer to me. Larry was one of the best neighbors that I've ever had. He was the president of the local bank here in town and had retired only about a year or two before he was struck down by the Kung Flu PanicFest madness. I used to do computer repair and automobile electrical work for him. He had a few old fords from the 60's (galaxy, falcon, and a red pickup) that would need a little something from time to time. He had me install linux on every computer he had and would often bring me other little miscellaneous things in need of repair. Even my (now deceased and) beloved cat Whiteface loved him. (As Achmed knows, my cats are semi-feral and therefore shy around most people.) Larry was one of the kindest and funniest people I've ever met. He was murdered by the retards masquerading as "hospital staff" when they put him on the ventilator. If I could avenge his untimely death I would.

https://i.ibb.co/t4zF5Wk/Whiteface-napping-in-the-garden.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/dbr3LR8/Babygirl-lounging-in-her-chair.jpg

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Moderator
Sunday - June 30th 2024 7:30AM MST
PS: Should be "... may NOT have missed someone..."
Moderator
Sunday - June 30th 2024 7:29AM MST
PS: Rex and M, my brother's old friend's wife was put into the hospital and was said to be in really bad shape for a while I assume, really OF, the Kung Flu. She was pretty big - put's "The Simpson"'s comic book store owner (sorry, that's just the image in my head) - to shame.

I'm not saying that I or Tucker may have missed someone, and I wrote "knowingly", meaning that it's not as if I took a survey. It's possible later on someone I have known the whole time will tell me about someone else.

My and Tucker's point was to point out that our own personal lives and people around us were not affected by this disease itself in a way that'd have us talking about this 4 years later. The PanicFest... another story. I was really glad to see Tucker come out with that in the interview.

It does make me wonder whether he has read some iSteve on unz and some comments even. Maybe he had no idea how iSteve thought about the PanicFest and was added this to bolster iSteve's point. Then again he said ..." we don't mean to get into Covid..." He noticeably didn't say "*I* don't mean to get into Covid". That make me lean toward the idea that during discussion earlier, they may have realized they weren't of the same temperament on the PanicFest. Maybe iSteve had flat out told Tucker that "Yeaaahhh, that's kind of a sort point with..." (His otherwise readers and supporters.)
Moderator
Sunday - June 30th 2024 7:19AM MST
PS: Mr. Hail, I did not even think about that, that timestamps would be offset depending on a few factors, where the actual start was, the (only 2 or 3) commercials that were on the Tucker Carlson site official video, etc. I definitely should have mentioned that my timestamps apply to the latter one.

As I write this morning, Mr. Sailer's interview is no longer at that top of Tucker's main non-logged-in page. That's unfortunate. (Matt Taibbi's is still - I haven't watched it yet.) Yes, you are right that youtube posted videos have no guaranteed shelf life. I hate when I look back on a post from years ago, but maybe 2 weeks back, and "cannot be found" appears. That's really just to be expected.

Therefore, you are right that parts of the transcript, maybe even the whole thing, ought to be here. Nearly 2 hours of talking is amazingly short on "paper".

On the last of these post, I'll make sure to link to all of them.
M
Sunday - June 30th 2024 4:55AM MST
PS
A friend of mine did die from it.

It was rather shocking, he was in his late 50s. Not particularly fit (he ran a comic book store), but hardly sickly.
Rex Little
Saturday - June 29th 2024 8:55PM MST
PS
For what it's worth, I do know someone (my wife's daughter) who knows someone (the husband of a co-worker) who died of it.
E. H. Hail
Saturday - June 29th 2024 10:42AM MST
PS

Thanks for doing these. How many total installments can we expect? If someone wanted to link to the set, for outsider non-PS readers, it would make sense to link to all at once.

Some blockquotes of the transcripts would help. Of the parts of the interview you're referencing. It can be tough to get people to jump from video to text to video to text.

Another reason is, the timestamps you're providing may differ slightly from one version of another. The interview was also released in audio-only form across many platforms. Te inserted ads on which can all differ, and podcast-service versions may differ from the TuckerCarlson.com versions, all leading to misaligned timestamps; I learned this when I put together the little transcript I did in PS-Number-3032. I adjusted the timestamps to the Youtube version.

Another reason is, no video anywhere online can be assumed to survive. Who knows? As mighty and untouchable as the now-Internet-based Tucker Carlson Show seems, video as a format has a short digital shelf-life. Text has a much-longer one.
Moderator
Saturday - June 29th 2024 9:18AM MST
PS: Thanks for the additional post link, Adam. I'll read that shortly to see if a certain commenter was one there or had thrown up his hands for a while. (not long though).

Yeah, maybe it wasn't that he didn't do his usual observing of humanity and comparing it to data, but he just cannot see that some people have bad intentions. They do. That's all there is to it. I suppose it's nice living in a world in which you figure everyone means well. Now, I'm getting into other posts I am going to write ...

Yes, I hope your .999 Round Tuit will make it onto your porch. My kid has been back into coin collecting. He joined these clubs in which you get stuff every month and have to send them back if you don't like/need it. I'm not sure if I like that based on stamps, if nothing else.
Adam Smith
Saturday - June 29th 2024 9:07AM MST
PS: Good morning, Mr. Moderator,

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Yes. Here's another...
https://www.unz.com/isteve/how-many-covid-fatalities-died-in-the-prime-of-their-careers/

I would imagine there are more, but I didn't look. Steve really pooped the bed on the PanicFest thing.

I still haven't watched the Sailer/Tucker video.
Maybe I'll get a round tuit today?

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