Posted On: Saturday - July 6th 2024 5:11PM MST
In Topics:   Elections '16 - '24  History  US Feral Government  Dead/Ex- Presidents
As per commenter Robert's opinion that he'd hoped we'd have neither of the 2 major Presidential candidates that we saw last week, sorry but our title here doesn't suggest getting rid of Trump and Bai Dien. We are talking here about 1924, not 2024. (Perhaps I should have used Twenty-first Century digits.)
Mr. Coolidge who'd assumed the office after the death of President Warren Harding on August 3rd of '23 (see Calvin Coolidge inaugurated as US President 100 years ago this minute.) was running as the Republican. John William Davis in the middle was the Democrat candidate, while Mr. Robert La Follette there on the right was the Progressive candidate.
I read that wiki page on Democrat candidate John Davis. This W. Virginian was a lawyer (what's new?), a US Congressman, Solicitor General (I guess same office as the current AG) working for Wilson, and the ambassador to Great Britain. Mr. Davis, the dark horse candidate in the vein of Big Mike*, obtained the D-party nomination on the 103rd vote, in the longest convention they had in history - June 26th through July 9th. A century ago, there'd still be 3 days left of it there at Madison Square Garden in New York City.
Madison Square Garden, eh? Who'd have known then that some long-haired British youngsters calling themselves the Led Zeppelin would be playing at that same venue 49 years later? As they could have told the '24 electorate, were the Rock & Roll a thing a half century earlier, "There are 2 paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on...." 2 paths, yeah, screw La Follette, but we'll get to him in a minute.
John Davis was an old-timey Democrat, the 1920s being indeed old times. He supported State's rights, anti-lynching legislation, and lost votes in the South due to his denunciation of the KKK and support for black voting rights. Except for the 1st thing (cause when you run things, you don't need that or even want that stuff), modern Democrat candidates would be on-board. In addition, he was the founding president of the Council on Foreign Relations and involved in other now-shadowy organizations. However, in later life as a lawyer, Mr. Davis worked on behalf of Big Biz against Roosevelt's Raw Deal programs.
That La Follette character, who'd been the Governor and a Congressman and Senator of/from Wisconsin, was indeed a "progressive" in the derogatory sense economically and ideologically. He'd called for government ownership of railroads and electric utilities, in addition to supporting the Bolsheviks in the still-ongoing Russian civil war in the early '20s. That's pretty, errrr, yeah, "progressive". However, in contrast to OUR early '20's, I get the feeling Robert La Follette would not have been in favor of young women being able to get their breasts cut off without their parent's permission... or with it, for that matter. It was what, '20, '21.. it was a different time, you understand ...
Then, there's the guy on the left. A month and couple of weeks ago last century, while in his 1st term as President, Calvin Coolidge signed the Johnson–Reed immigration Act. Though maybe politically disunited at the very end of it, this ushered in a real unification of the American people over the next 41 years, till the Hart Cellar Act was signed in December of '65.
If that wasn't enough, Silent Cal was a true Libertarian**. He believed in "He who governs best, governs least." Imagine an America that would vote for a guy like this in a landslide.
La Follette was pretty strong as 3rd party candidates go, getting more electoral votes - that support from his Wisconsin home*** - than Ross Perot did in 1992 - he got none. However, Mr. Perot got 18.9% of the popular vote as opposed to La Follette's 16.6%. The eminently reasonable John Davis got the lowest percentage of popular votes by any D candidate in history. The South went solid for Davis (did they think we was kin to Jeff Davis?), and New York City went for Coolidge. It was a different New York City... you understand...
Just look and read about these guys, even the proto-Commie guy there. They were intelligent men. Principles of governance were being discussed, rather than, by necessity now, how quickly America is to be destroyed. None of the 3 of them had dementia or were bombastic egotistical bullshitters. What a country! What a difference a century makes!
PS: Interestingly, it was only 40 years later when there was another Presidential election with a strong Libertarian running. Alas, the American population had changed by '64, so the landslide went in the reverse direction. You'd think that unification process, with that hard pause having gone on for 4 decades, would result in a different outcome. Was it that the Lyin' Press had become established by '64, and that was the difference?
PPS: The State numbers of electoral votes were also so different a century ago. Look at California, man! Iowa had as many, Georgia had more, Illinois had 3 more than twice as many, Pennsylvania had 1 less than 3 times as many, and New York had a hair under 3 1/2 times as many. Then, New York State and Pennsylvania just plain dominated! Florida had the same number as Maine and fewer than Nebraska, Connecticut, or West for cryin' out loud Virginia.
* Thanks for that one, Mr. Hail. I realize no pun was intended in your comment, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a good pun.
** Note to certain people: Libertarian principles and open borders do not have to go together. In fact, after a while of it, they CAN'T.
*** You didn't have your Kyle Rittenhouse's around in that last '24, unfortunately.
Comments:
Moderator
Monday - July 8th 2024 6:21AM MST
PS: "Adam Smith beats the system, finds a mysterious alt-symbol to bypass Peak Stupidity's antiquated "anti-Less Than" defense."
Yeah, and I need to save his links for those special characters. The keyboard shortcuts work on some keyboard/device combinations but not all of them, I've found.
BTW, this doesn't defeat the true purpose of the couple of lines of software.
For example, let me put a link in below to this site, with the alt-LT and alt-GT signs:
<a href="https://www.peakstupidity.com">Peak Stupidity</a>
Yeah, and I need to save his links for those special characters. The keyboard shortcuts work on some keyboard/device combinations but not all of them, I've found.
BTW, this doesn't defeat the true purpose of the couple of lines of software.
For example, let me put a link in below to this site, with the alt-LT and alt-GT signs:
<a href="https://www.peakstupidity.com">Peak Stupidity</a>
The Alarmist
Monday - July 8th 2024 4:31AM MST
PS
covfefe, dammit !
covfefe, dammit !
The Alarmist
Monday - July 8th 2024 4:30AM MST
PS
Does that go for
Does that go for
Moderator
Sunday - July 7th 2024 8:09PM MST
PS: Then, there's the OTHER Adam Smith yet, who said "There's a lot of ruin in a nation." Dark Brandon resembles that remark.
Hail
Sunday - July 7th 2024 6:21PM MST
PS
Adam Smith beats the system, finds a mysterious alt-symbol to bypass Peak Stupidity's antiquated "anti-Less Than" defense.
It's no wonder that POLITICO went to Adam Smith, for his comments on whether Joe Biden should stay or go.
Adam Smith beats the system, finds a mysterious alt-symbol to bypass Peak Stupidity's antiquated "anti-Less Than" defense.
It's no wonder that POLITICO went to Adam Smith, for his comments on whether Joe Biden should stay or go.
Adam Smith
Sunday - July 7th 2024 6:17PM MST
PS: Me again...
𝑊ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑜𝑒𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑖𝑟𝑠𝑡 𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑒 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚? 𝐼𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔.
Well, I found this < over here...
https://fsymbols.com/text-art/
It's the same website that I use for 𝐛𝐨𝐥𝐝, 𝑖𝑡𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑐, and 𝒃𝒐𝒍𝒅 𝒊𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒊𝒄 text. 𝓘𝓽 𝓭𝓸𝓮𝓼 𝓪 𝓯𝓮𝔀 𝓸𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓻 𝓽𝓱𝓲𝓷𝓰𝓼 𝓽𝓸𝓸.
(Though, I really don't know how these show up in other browsers and other operating systems. There is a chance that some people simply don't see some of these characters.)
Anyway... Happy Sunday! ☮️
𝑊ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑜𝑒𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑖𝑟𝑠𝑡 𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑒 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚? 𝐼𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔.
Well, I found this < over here...
https://fsymbols.com/text-art/
It's the same website that I use for 𝐛𝐨𝐥𝐝, 𝑖𝑡𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑐, and 𝒃𝒐𝒍𝒅 𝒊𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒊𝒄 text. 𝓘𝓽 𝓭𝓸𝓮𝓼 𝓪 𝓯𝓮𝔀 𝓸𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓻 𝓽𝓱𝓲𝓷𝓰𝓼 𝓽𝓸𝓸.
(Though, I really don't know how these show up in other browsers and other operating systems. There is a chance that some people simply don't see some of these characters.)
Anyway... Happy Sunday! ☮️
Adam Smith
Sunday - July 7th 2024 6:16PM MST
PS: 𝐴𝑑𝑎𝑚 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑡𝑒𝑙𝑙 𝑢𝑠 ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑡𝑟𝑖𝑐𝑘 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑛 ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑒𝑒𝑙𝑠 𝑙𝑖𝑘𝑒 𝑤𝑒 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑎 𝑛𝑒𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤.
Will he though? ☮️
Will he though? ☮️
Moderator
Sunday - July 7th 2024 6:11PM MST
PS: I gots to know this too:
(Regular LT sign, some text immediately following, then GT sign right after. This was perhaps a test Adam did, but I can't tell by eye his LT sign from the regular one):
Text after that.
(Regular LT sign, some text immediately following, then GT sign right after. This was perhaps a test Adam did, but I can't tell by eye his LT sign from the regular one):
Text after that.
Moderator
Sunday - July 7th 2024 6:09PM MST
PS: Yup, Adam will tell us his trick when he feels like we have a need to know. Otherwise, copy and paste from this post's comments.
Anyway, Mr. Hail has a new post up, so I'll go back to reading that - something perhaps a bit more constructive than what I've been doing just now. ;-}
Anyway, Mr. Hail has a new post up, so I'll go back to reading that - something perhaps a bit more constructive than what I've been doing just now. ;-}
Moderator
Sunday - July 7th 2024 6:07PM MST
PS: OK, let me get in on this (though maybe at this point easier to look at the line of programming.):
Adam's got lots of tricks though. (Question is, that alt-LT-sign - does it make for an HTML tag?)
Let's use that one - same stuff:
<abcde
< abcde
<100
< 100
Adam's got lots of tricks though. (Question is, that alt-LT-sign - does it make for an HTML tag?)
Let's use that one - same stuff:
<abcde
< abcde
<100
< 100
Moderator
Sunday - July 7th 2024 6:06PM MST
PS: OK, let me get in on this (though maybe at this point easier to look at the line of programming.):
OK, my very first test wiped out everything following, which was a NORMAL LT sign immediately followed by letters. Let me wipe that out:
< abcde
LT, space, and then letters)
OK, my very first test wiped out everything following, which was a NORMAL LT sign immediately followed by letters. Let me wipe that out:
< abcde
LT, space, and then letters)
Moderator
Sunday - July 7th 2024 6:05PM MST
PS: OK, let me get in on this (though maybe at this point easier to look at the line of programming.):
Moderator
Sunday - July 7th 2024 5:57PM MST
PS: Yes, folks, the "less than" and "greater than" sign characters are taken out along with some characters* afterwards as a way to prevent HTML tags. Now that may sound evil or something, but I left these simple functions in because I don't know - or didn't take the time to learn, I should say - what it takes to positively prevent functions of some sort being inserted that could mess with the database or do some other damage. This is a brute-force solution, unfortunately.
Will it ever be changed? When I get to changing the site, I'm sure I'll remember all the stupidity inherent in the system, errr, software [/Monty Python], such as this stripping business, disallowing links, which were pretty much the basis for the www. When I get to ... there's a Linda Ronstadt song, this one taken from Buddy Holly with the timetable.
Anyway, no matter what, please mash the browser back button, IF IT'S NOT TOO LATE, to get back to your comment, so you can take out the "offending" characters.
Sorry, guys!
* I can't look up the code just now so easily, but Mr. Hail's 5:41 PM MST test showed that it must strip up till the next space char. OTOH, we don't know what Test 3 tested, haha.
Will it ever be changed? When I get to changing the site, I'm sure I'll remember all the stupidity inherent in the system, errr, software [/Monty Python], such as this stripping business, disallowing links, which were pretty much the basis for the www. When I get to ... there's a Linda Ronstadt song, this one taken from Buddy Holly with the timetable.
Anyway, no matter what, please mash the browser back button, IF IT'S NOT TOO LATE, to get back to your comment, so you can take out the "offending" characters.
Sorry, guys!
* I can't look up the code just now so easily, but Mr. Hail's 5:41 PM MST test showed that it must strip up till the next space char. OTOH, we don't know what Test 3 tested, haha.
Hail
Sunday - July 7th 2024 5:56PM MST
PS
Adam Smith's "less than" sign:
<
Normal keyboard "less than" sign:
<
Where does the first one come from? Interesting.
Adam Smith's "less than" sign:
<
Normal keyboard "less than" sign:
<
Where does the first one come from? Interesting.
Adam Smith
Sunday - July 7th 2024 5:55PM MST
PS: 99<100
Hmmm... 🤔 ☮️
Hmmm... 🤔 ☮️
Adam Smith
Sunday - July 7th 2024 5:52PM MST
PS: <100 ☮️
Adam Smith
Sunday - July 7th 2024 5:50PM MST
PS: Greetings, Mr. Hail!
(with the under-18 population in California being <20% White-Christian for some time already, possibly pushing <15% by now.)
<This is only a test.> ☮️
(with the under-18 population in California being <20% White-Christian for some time already, possibly pushing <15% by now.)
<This is only a test.> ☮️
Hail
Sunday - July 7th 2024 5:45PM MST
PS
(Peak Stupidity writing department guideline...)
"Until we figure out what the hell is going on, there shall be a shutdown of all reckless use of the "less than sign." A space shall be inserted after every use of the < sign. Thank you; and, remember: remain vigilant against Stupidity, wheresoever you may find it. -- The Management."
(Peak Stupidity writing department guideline...)
"Until we figure out what the hell is going on, there shall be a shutdown of all reckless use of the "less than sign." A space shall be inserted after every use of the < sign. Thank you; and, remember: remain vigilant against Stupidity, wheresoever you may find it. -- The Management."
Hail
Sunday - July 7th 2024 5:41PM MST
PS
"lessthansign100" It didn't work.
Second test, with space:
< 100
Third test:
"lessthansign100" It didn't work.
Second test, with space:
< 100
Third test:
Hail
Sunday - July 7th 2024 5:40PM MST
PS
I think the problem is using the < sign with any number next to it. The PS system interprets it as a code and, not knowing what to do with it, just drops it cold.
Test:
Less than one hundred (digit version to follow)
I think the problem is using the < sign with any number next to it. The PS system interprets it as a code and, not knowing what to do with it, just drops it cold.
Test:
Less than one hundred (digit version to follow)
Adam Smith
Sunday - July 7th 2024 5:37PM MST
PS: < Here you are, Mr. Hail.
< You can use this one... <
< Copy and paste
☮️
< You can use this one... <
< Copy and paste
☮️
Hail
Sunday - July 7th 2024 4:49PM MST
PS
-- On the loss of California and the inability to "communicate across time," 1920s vs 2020s, continued --
There are many answers to the question I posed in 2019, the question of "Who Lost California.: The question's great interest is not about that one state, as large and significant as it is; the interest is, rather, that it's a few-decades-earlier version of Who Lost America, and a small version of the loss of the West generally.
One answer to the loss of California is psychological. When Whites stopped believing, lost optimism for the place, felt excluded. This is the reality of California actually for some decades running now.
If we "check in" at intervals of 25-years: 1875, 1900, 1925, 1950, 1975, 2000, 2025. The interesting thing is how there was all-but NO sign of anything bad on the horizon at most of these periods, at least at the scale we now see it (with the under-18 population in California being --LESS THAN-- 20% White-Christian for some time already, possibly pushing 15% by now.).
In terms of wholesale "loss" of the state, or the Third Worldization socio-cultural-racial "brazilianization" of the state, it seemed an implausible-to-impossible sci-fi-style nightmare vision in 1900, 1925, even 1950. Though certain signs were already there even in 1950. By 1975, the foundations have started to wobble, but it was still possible to dismiss the alarmists if one wanted to. By 2000 it was clear that California was finished; and that even if George W. Bush had emerged as a major immigration-restrictionist (which he definitely was NOT), California was still probably doomed.
But in the Coolidge era of the 1920s? No way! No one had such thoughts. It was such a very different world. Not because the White men of the 1920s were better than we are (though maybe they were, for various reasons). In part, it is because a feedback loop of perverse-incentives got locked in, forming the world we live in. Once mass-immigration of non-Westerners begins, and multiculturalist ideology settles in for the long haul, anti-white-anti-male-anti-everything Wokeness emerges. It would seem like a bad dream to psychologically normal White men of the 1910s, 1920s.
(Side-note, something non-political: It was some ambitious California kids who 'invented' the "skateboard" in about 1963, by attaching roller-skates to and a plain wooden board. A simple-seeming innovation, but someone had to do it and run with it and popularize it. Within a year or two it became a big craze across America. Later it became a big and enduring part of the subcultural scene in America. An enduring legacy for whoever those White California youths were in the early 1960s. That was the enduring early-20th-century White spirit at work, still present in the early 1960s in full force. It's hard to imagine that kind of trend coming out of the depressed and dispirited California of the 2010s, 2020s. Look at the youth trends out of the place now. We see little that people want to emulate.)
One reason we cannot 'communicate' across eras, even though the same geographies and nominal racial-national-cultural-language groups are involved, is that "the 1920s vs. the 2020"s feels like alien-worlds, worlds separated by more space and time than a mere one century. The White men of the 1920s could NOT have imagined a transmogrified version of the USA that turned it into a multi-racial Frankenstein Monster. Only a few alarmists were out there warning of anything like it, including the well-connected man who wrote Rising Tide of Color in the late 1910s, but people laughed it off. "It couldn't happen here."
-- On the loss of California and the inability to "communicate across time," 1920s vs 2020s, continued --
There are many answers to the question I posed in 2019, the question of "Who Lost California.: The question's great interest is not about that one state, as large and significant as it is; the interest is, rather, that it's a few-decades-earlier version of Who Lost America, and a small version of the loss of the West generally.
One answer to the loss of California is psychological. When Whites stopped believing, lost optimism for the place, felt excluded. This is the reality of California actually for some decades running now.
If we "check in" at intervals of 25-years: 1875, 1900, 1925, 1950, 1975, 2000, 2025. The interesting thing is how there was all-but NO sign of anything bad on the horizon at most of these periods, at least at the scale we now see it (with the under-18 population in California being --LESS THAN-- 20% White-Christian for some time already, possibly pushing 15% by now.).
In terms of wholesale "loss" of the state, or the Third Worldization socio-cultural-racial "brazilianization" of the state, it seemed an implausible-to-impossible sci-fi-style nightmare vision in 1900, 1925, even 1950. Though certain signs were already there even in 1950. By 1975, the foundations have started to wobble, but it was still possible to dismiss the alarmists if one wanted to. By 2000 it was clear that California was finished; and that even if George W. Bush had emerged as a major immigration-restrictionist (which he definitely was NOT), California was still probably doomed.
But in the Coolidge era of the 1920s? No way! No one had such thoughts. It was such a very different world. Not because the White men of the 1920s were better than we are (though maybe they were, for various reasons). In part, it is because a feedback loop of perverse-incentives got locked in, forming the world we live in. Once mass-immigration of non-Westerners begins, and multiculturalist ideology settles in for the long haul, anti-white-anti-male-anti-everything Wokeness emerges. It would seem like a bad dream to psychologically normal White men of the 1910s, 1920s.
(Side-note, something non-political: It was some ambitious California kids who 'invented' the "skateboard" in about 1963, by attaching roller-skates to and a plain wooden board. A simple-seeming innovation, but someone had to do it and run with it and popularize it. Within a year or two it became a big craze across America. Later it became a big and enduring part of the subcultural scene in America. An enduring legacy for whoever those White California youths were in the early 1960s. That was the enduring early-20th-century White spirit at work, still present in the early 1960s in full force. It's hard to imagine that kind of trend coming out of the depressed and dispirited California of the 2010s, 2020s. Look at the youth trends out of the place now. We see little that people want to emulate.)
One reason we cannot 'communicate' across eras, even though the same geographies and nominal racial-national-cultural-language groups are involved, is that "the 1920s vs. the 2020"s feels like alien-worlds, worlds separated by more space and time than a mere one century. The White men of the 1920s could NOT have imagined a transmogrified version of the USA that turned it into a multi-racial Frankenstein Monster. Only a few alarmists were out there warning of anything like it, including the well-connected man who wrote Rising Tide of Color in the late 1910s, but people laughed it off. "It couldn't happen here."
Hail
Sunday - July 7th 2024 4:48PM MST
PS
Ahh, my old PS-comment nemesis, the "less than" sign, has struck again and cut off half the comment... Will try again
Ahh, my old PS-comment nemesis, the "less than" sign, has struck again and cut off half the comment... Will try again
Hail
Sunday - July 7th 2024 4:48PM MST
PS
-- On the loss of California and the inability to "communicate across time," 1920s vs 2020s, continued --
There are many answers to the question I posed in 2019, the question of "Who Lost California.: The question's great interest is not about that one state, as large and significant as it is; the interest is, rather, that it's a few-decades-earlier version of Who Lost America, and a small version of the loss of the West generally.
One answer to the loss of California is psychological. When Whites stopped believing, lost optimism for the place, felt excluded. This is the reality of California actually for some decades running now.
If we "check in" at intervals of 25-years: 1875, 1900, 1925, 1950, 1975, 2000, 2025. The interesting thing is how there was all-but NO sign of anything bad on the horizon at most of these periods, at least at the scale we now see it (with the under-18 population in California being
-- On the loss of California and the inability to "communicate across time," 1920s vs 2020s, continued --
There are many answers to the question I posed in 2019, the question of "Who Lost California.: The question's great interest is not about that one state, as large and significant as it is; the interest is, rather, that it's a few-decades-earlier version of Who Lost America, and a small version of the loss of the West generally.
One answer to the loss of California is psychological. When Whites stopped believing, lost optimism for the place, felt excluded. This is the reality of California actually for some decades running now.
If we "check in" at intervals of 25-years: 1875, 1900, 1925, 1950, 1975, 2000, 2025. The interesting thing is how there was all-but NO sign of anything bad on the horizon at most of these periods, at least at the scale we now see it (with the under-18 population in California being
Moderator
Sunday - July 7th 2024 4:36PM MST
PS: My guess on Illinois was not so sound. From 29 to 20 out of a 1.3% higher total. It's lost 30-something % of its influence.
Moderator
Sunday - July 7th 2024 4:34PM MST
PS: After taking a quick look at the 2020 map, I see that I was right - California dominates now with more than NY State and Penn combined!
California has 55 now, while NY and Penn have 49 between them. This is out of 538 total now vs. 531 in 1924, a difference of only 1.3% (Alaska and Hawaii).
OTOH, NY and Penn together back in 1924 had 83 EVs! That's the point I made in that other comment. That's 15.6% (albeit 2 States) for NY/Penn in 1924 vs. 10.2% for Cali in '20. They need more illegal aliens to up their game, even if they don't get them to vote... which they have been.
California has 55 now, while NY and Penn have 49 between them. This is out of 538 total now vs. 531 in 1924, a difference of only 1.3% (Alaska and Hawaii).
OTOH, NY and Penn together back in 1924 had 83 EVs! That's the point I made in that other comment. That's 15.6% (albeit 2 States) for NY/Penn in 1924 vs. 10.2% for Cali in '20. They need more illegal aliens to up their game, even if they don't get them to vote... which they have been.
Moderator
Sunday - July 7th 2024 4:22PM MST
PS: Mr. Hail, I did think of going back to '21 just because some VDare writer mentioned that that year is when immigration got seriously curtailed - before the bill. Those VDare writers have their shit together, but OTOH it was almost an even 4 decades OFFICIALLY. As you said, if Hart-Cellar didn't get implemented till '68, that's 3 more years. I might say '21 to '68 then, so 47 years.
True, on the aft end, there was a slow build-up that was not noticeable to your average non-(trying to find a magazine here)-reading American until the late '80s to early '00s, depending on where he lived. I did spend time in California. I can say that even in the mid-'80s, people were well aware of the huge Mexican component of Southern Cal. The Central Valley, well, you could read about it, as most people didn't have a reason to go there. (Maybe just through on the I-80 or down the 99, etc.). So, to me, it was just LA and environs known to be heavily changed from immigration even in the 1980s. However, it was still White enough to be very nice, other than say, traffic and smog.
On the forward end, I suppose The Great War slowed immigration way down. I don't know about those couple of years just after. There are graphs out there I need to check out.
Mr.Hail. I know you wrote about the loss of California in one of your posts on your blog. I read through that one, and your are the expert. I'll find an appropriate post to paste that into. Thanks for the commentary here.
True, on the aft end, there was a slow build-up that was not noticeable to your average non-(trying to find a magazine here)-reading American until the late '80s to early '00s, depending on where he lived. I did spend time in California. I can say that even in the mid-'80s, people were well aware of the huge Mexican component of Southern Cal. The Central Valley, well, you could read about it, as most people didn't have a reason to go there. (Maybe just through on the I-80 or down the 99, etc.). So, to me, it was just LA and environs known to be heavily changed from immigration even in the 1980s. However, it was still White enough to be very nice, other than say, traffic and smog.
On the forward end, I suppose The Great War slowed immigration way down. I don't know about those couple of years just after. There are graphs out there I need to check out.
Mr.Hail. I know you wrote about the loss of California in one of your posts on your blog. I read through that one, and your are the expert. I'll find an appropriate post to paste that into. Thanks for the commentary here.
Moderator
Sunday - July 7th 2024 4:13PM MST
PS: Mr. Blanc among all those comparisons, I did mean to call out Kentucky and Cali having same number of EVs. That's unimaginable.
Yeah, a comparison of maps from '24 and '24 would make a good post. I didn't look it up yet, but perhaps NY State and Penn combined in 1924 was more dominant even than California is today.
Illinois seems to have held it's own proportion-wise (again, I didn't look at it yet - will later). Chicago was and still is a big city, but not the "2nd City" anymore. I was just watching Al Hitchcock's "West by Northwest". There are scenes in Chicago - please, nobody tell me any more details after that (famous) scene with the bi-plane cropduster, as that's about where I stopped for now, and I really have not seen the movie - 1956 was indeed a different country! You were right there the whole time, Mr. Blanc, right? (I'm going by the '46 in your handle and that you live in "Chicagoland")
Thanks for than handy link, Mr. Smith, for our discussion! Yeah, very interesting.
Yeah, a comparison of maps from '24 and '24 would make a good post. I didn't look it up yet, but perhaps NY State and Penn combined in 1924 was more dominant even than California is today.
Illinois seems to have held it's own proportion-wise (again, I didn't look at it yet - will later). Chicago was and still is a big city, but not the "2nd City" anymore. I was just watching Al Hitchcock's "West by Northwest". There are scenes in Chicago - please, nobody tell me any more details after that (famous) scene with the bi-plane cropduster, as that's about where I stopped for now, and I really have not seen the movie - 1956 was indeed a different country! You were right there the whole time, Mr. Blanc, right? (I'm going by the '46 in your handle and that you live in "Chicagoland")
Thanks for than handy link, Mr. Smith, for our discussion! Yeah, very interesting.
Adam Smith
Sunday - July 7th 2024 4:00PM MST
PS: Thanks, Mr. Hail...
I'll try not to let my new found fame go to my head. ☮️
I'll try not to let my new found fame go to my head. ☮️
Hail
Sunday - July 7th 2024 2:12PM MST
PS
POLITICO headline, 5pm EDT, Sunday, July 7:
"Jerry Nadler, Adam Smith call on Biden to stand down from reelection bid"
Wow, Adam Smith.
Your influence is rising
to surprising new heights.
Congratulations!
POLITICO headline, 5pm EDT, Sunday, July 7:
"Jerry Nadler, Adam Smith call on Biden to stand down from reelection bid"
Wow, Adam Smith.
Your influence is rising
to surprising new heights.
Congratulations!
Hail
Sunday - July 7th 2024 1:24PM MST
PS
From the entry: "...ushered in a real unification of the American people over the next 41 years, till the Hart Cellar Act was signed in December of '65."
The new immigration law only went into effect in July 1968. The mass-immigration cutoff really dates to August 1914 and the huge disruption in normality and cross-Atlantic passenger shipping and everything else, with the strange decision some people made to fight a continental war for no reason. Temporary restriction measures were in place most of the time from the late-1910s until the iron-clad 1924 law, which in effect replicated the 1924 law.
So the period of little-to-no immigration into the USA lasted from mid-1914 to mid-1968, 54 years.
And mass-Third World immigration as a phenomenon didn't REALLY start to 'bite' in most places for decades to come. By the 2000s, there are real bridgeheads almost everywhere. Even if numbers were small in many places, the chain-migrant pipeline or whatever other processes were enough to guarantee they'd eventually 'tilt' over into something post-Western, post-White, at least in part. There were still all-White, zero-immigrant areas all over in the 1970s, 1980s, even 1990s. There even still are a few even in the 2020s, of course, but not many outside super-rural areas that are completely without bridgeheads by Migrants.
The first place to "fall" at large scale to post-1960s Migrants was California, of course. I've never lived in California. I have passed through, or paid short visits, a number of times. I've known many who are from there. They invariably are pessimistic. I dare you to go out there and try to find an optimistic White Californian in our time. They cannot be found. Or, if you do find a White Californian without Migrant ties who is optimistic, it'll be some "exception that proves the rule," like a Gavin Newsom-style elite.
The loss of California is, though, something I think about a lot, because it was the template for the partial or wholesale loss of many other places. I am convinced Steve Sailer became an extremist and racist because of his ties to Mid-20th-century California. I am sure he feels a deep sense of loss over the loss of California he witnessed. And it's so obvious what caused it: Migration policy. Even before the "1965 law" and the early years of non-Western people entering LEE-GUH-LEE under the new law, there was some strain on the old White California. But it really broke by, maybe, some time in the 1980s, as in going past a Rubicon of Third Worldization.
Actually, going back to the Calvin Coolidge era, there are many, many stories of an all-White California that remind you, reading today, of some king of sci-fi story, or some strange Norman Rockwell parallel world. This California -- which existed from the mid-19th century until the late-20th when it was subsumed into a Migrant mush -- produced interesting things all over the place, including a template for 20th-century White American norms and ideal (for better or worse). The products of California in this time include Richard Nixon, as of 1924 still a youth, the son of a Quaker citrus farming family, iirc, a normal person, a 'nobody,' whom the system saw was bright and rewarded his hard work. A White-child version of Richard Nixon TODAY would be crushed, the life-force strangled out of him by today's version of the place, with its aggressive Multiculturalist ideology and anti-white, anti-male policies and tone and LGBTQIAX+ ideology and all the rest.
By the way, what would Calvin Coolidge think of LGBTQIAX+ ideology and the Transgender Movement, including the holy right to Transgenderify children?
From the entry: "...ushered in a real unification of the American people over the next 41 years, till the Hart Cellar Act was signed in December of '65."
The new immigration law only went into effect in July 1968. The mass-immigration cutoff really dates to August 1914 and the huge disruption in normality and cross-Atlantic passenger shipping and everything else, with the strange decision some people made to fight a continental war for no reason. Temporary restriction measures were in place most of the time from the late-1910s until the iron-clad 1924 law, which in effect replicated the 1924 law.
So the period of little-to-no immigration into the USA lasted from mid-1914 to mid-1968, 54 years.
And mass-Third World immigration as a phenomenon didn't REALLY start to 'bite' in most places for decades to come. By the 2000s, there are real bridgeheads almost everywhere. Even if numbers were small in many places, the chain-migrant pipeline or whatever other processes were enough to guarantee they'd eventually 'tilt' over into something post-Western, post-White, at least in part. There were still all-White, zero-immigrant areas all over in the 1970s, 1980s, even 1990s. There even still are a few even in the 2020s, of course, but not many outside super-rural areas that are completely without bridgeheads by Migrants.
The first place to "fall" at large scale to post-1960s Migrants was California, of course. I've never lived in California. I have passed through, or paid short visits, a number of times. I've known many who are from there. They invariably are pessimistic. I dare you to go out there and try to find an optimistic White Californian in our time. They cannot be found. Or, if you do find a White Californian without Migrant ties who is optimistic, it'll be some "exception that proves the rule," like a Gavin Newsom-style elite.
The loss of California is, though, something I think about a lot, because it was the template for the partial or wholesale loss of many other places. I am convinced Steve Sailer became an extremist and racist because of his ties to Mid-20th-century California. I am sure he feels a deep sense of loss over the loss of California he witnessed. And it's so obvious what caused it: Migration policy. Even before the "1965 law" and the early years of non-Western people entering LEE-GUH-LEE under the new law, there was some strain on the old White California. But it really broke by, maybe, some time in the 1980s, as in going past a Rubicon of Third Worldization.
Actually, going back to the Calvin Coolidge era, there are many, many stories of an all-White California that remind you, reading today, of some king of sci-fi story, or some strange Norman Rockwell parallel world. This California -- which existed from the mid-19th century until the late-20th when it was subsumed into a Migrant mush -- produced interesting things all over the place, including a template for 20th-century White American norms and ideal (for better or worse). The products of California in this time include Richard Nixon, as of 1924 still a youth, the son of a Quaker citrus farming family, iirc, a normal person, a 'nobody,' whom the system saw was bright and rewarded his hard work. A White-child version of Richard Nixon TODAY would be crushed, the life-force strangled out of him by today's version of the place, with its aggressive Multiculturalist ideology and anti-white, anti-male policies and tone and LGBTQIAX+ ideology and all the rest.
By the way, what would Calvin Coolidge think of LGBTQIAX+ ideology and the Transgender Movement, including the holy right to Transgenderify children?
Adam Smith
Sunday - July 7th 2024 11:29AM MST
PS: Greetings, Messrs. Blanc and Newman!
🎶 Mister we could use a man like Calvin Coolidge again. 🎶
https://www.self.inc/info/us-debt-by-president/
𝐻𝑜𝑤 𝑡𝑖𝑚𝑒𝑠 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑐ℎ𝑎𝑛𝑔𝑒𝑑.
Indeed Mr. Blanc. What an interesting map. How about Missouri and Indiana having more and Kentucky having the same number of electoral votes as California? (Crazy.)
Here's a 2020 electoral map for comparison...
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/ElectoralCollege2020.svg/1200px-ElectoralCollege2020.svg.png
Happy Sunday! ☮️
🎶 Mister we could use a man like Calvin Coolidge again. 🎶
https://www.self.inc/info/us-debt-by-president/
𝐻𝑜𝑤 𝑡𝑖𝑚𝑒𝑠 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑐ℎ𝑎𝑛𝑔𝑒𝑑.
Indeed Mr. Blanc. What an interesting map. How about Missouri and Indiana having more and Kentucky having the same number of electoral votes as California? (Crazy.)
Here's a 2020 electoral map for comparison...
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/ElectoralCollege2020.svg/1200px-ElectoralCollege2020.svg.png
Happy Sunday! ☮️
MBlanc46
Sunday - July 7th 2024 8:19AM MST
PS Jeez, Illinois had 29 EVs (now it’s down in the low 20s) and California had only 13. How times have changed.
https://fsymbols.com/text-art/
Here's a matched set of less than & greater than alt-characters...
< >
Looks more natural (less lopsided) that way.
<a href="http://www.peakstupidity.com">Peak Stupidity</a>
On my browser I do see a subtle difference between the alt-characters and the standard keyboard characters.
Alt-Char < >
Standard < >
𝐵𝑇𝑊, 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑑𝑜𝑒𝑠𝑛'𝑡 𝑑𝑒𝑓𝑒𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑡𝑟𝑢𝑒 𝑝𝑢𝑟𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑙𝑖𝑛𝑒𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑠𝑜𝑓𝑡𝑤𝑎𝑟𝑒.
Nope. This is a perfectly harmless and fun way to use less than & greater than or to give an example piece of code. These alt-symbols aren't recognized as HTML code tags because they're not.
I've thought about setting up a sock puppet at unz using some of these alt-characters to spoof an existing commenter or as a sort of duplicate Adam Smith that is actually a different account. I think it would work. I've also thought about using some sort of alt symbol like ✈ or ✡ to create a commenter at unz. (Not sure why I would other than to see if it would work.)
For example...
Adam Smith (standard characters)
𝙰𝚍𝚊𝚖 𝚂𝚖𝚒𝚝𝚑 (non-standard characters)
𝖠𝖽𝖺𝗆 𝖲𝗆𝗂𝗍𝗁
Aᴅᴀᴍ Sᴍɪᴛʜ
𝒜𝒹𝒶𝓂 𝒮𝓂𝒾𝓉𝒽
𝓐𝓭𝓪𝓶 𝓢𝓶𝓲𝓽𝓱
The first two look the same (in my browser), but are different character sets (they do appear different in my libreoffice writer program). They may look different in different browsers. I've never tried, so I don't know, but I think the alt-character sets could be used to make a spoof commenter account over at unz. Maybe I'll spoof Ron, Steve or Tiny Duck someday.(?)
That could be fun. ☮️