Posted On: Thursday - July 11th 2024 3:21PM MST
In Topics: Pundits US Feral Government Deep State
... and give your name and what step of our 12-step Deep Staters Anonymous program you have attained?
This post is somewhat of a repeat from a part of our post What IS the Deep State? from over 7 years back. Donald Trump had been President for less than 5 months as of that writing. He'd already been disappointing, so Peak Stupidity wondered about his relationship, if I may, with the Deep State and looked back to another guy back 25 years prior: The Deep State vs. Donald Trump - remember Candidate Ross Perot?.
I can see that there's much confusion between 2 different definitions of the Deep State. I don't think I'd write the following (1st link above) any differently today:
We (we bloggers, I guess) need to get something straight. This phrase, "the Deep State", has been trending, as the idiots at google, yahoo, and assorted other idiots like to say these days. The phrase is being used a lot, though it is nothing new, yet I've been reading it as having 2 different meanings. This Peter Brimelow blog post on VDare is an example.OK, I'd have to add Twitter, excuse me, X, today. That post was from '17... it was a different time, you understand ...
The original meaning of "the Deep State" is the one that has been used for 50 years or more, at least in reference to goings-on with or really, behind, the US Feral Government. It refers to a "shadow government" and/or powerful elite non-government people who work behind the scenes to make the real decisions as the politicians play their role as puppets. The idea is that these nefarious types do not want to be public figures and they don't want the public to know there even is any Deep State. By "Deep" here, writers mean "deep secret", so we don't guess these people blog about their activities or have a Deep State facebook group and stuff like that.
I mentioned a Peter Brimelow article. The bigger example of this mistake comes from Steve Sailer. In his recent posts, he has been proud of his taking this term from Turkey, of all places, and spreading the it around. Of course it's not purposeful, but this is one time I see Mr. Sailer as spreading confusion rather than shedding light. No, no, no, by "the Deep State", we* don't mean the government bureaucracy! That's not at ALL the same thing.
Mr. Sailer's somewhat annoyingly clever mantra has been lately to ask those who attribute high-level political happenings to the Deep State "How come we don't know their names?" Nah, the CIA guy who's been blackmailing Senator so-and-so may not carry business cards and have a big presence on Twitter.
Granted, I do realize that Mr. Sailer is using his misnomer, so, sure, if this head of the White House staff has pushed for this thing or this Chief of Homeland Security is behind that thing, yeah, we know their names. We know who the traitor Mayorkas is and could know but don't care who Jeff Zients is. (I indeed had to look that one up.) Thing is, they ain't The Deep State.
A friend of mine with whom it's great to discuss this kind of thing says the the term "Administrative State" should be used for the entrenched Government Bureaucracies. We're talking the US Feral beast, the EU, other nations, and even California's. There are people within who do have power based on the fact that it's very difficult to change one of these
I see there being less inherent evil in the Administrative State than in the Deep State. I also can see that there's some overlap between the two. My friend mentioned Lois Lerner, the former head of the Tax-Exempt Organization office of the IRS who purposely harassed Conservative organizations... and, of course, never got punished. She is part of the Administrative State, but who set her up to this vendetta? You don't figure people like this care that very much about the politics over getting up into those G-levels with higher positions for bigger pensions. Was she hooked up just with Øb☭ma or with others behind the scenes?
Denying that any Deep State is behind this or that political phenomena means something different if you don't know the basic long-used definition of "Deep State". Let me discuss the 2 entities, the Administrative State (first) and then the Deep State, in 2 subsequent posts.
* It's not just me, and don't call me Kemosabe! My wife gets political info off of some Social Media, and she'd tell me that "the Dee Ess behind so-and-so did so-and-so...", pronouncing just the letters. She doesn't get that from me.
** That post has the Dead song, but we've also got a 3-part review of Tucker Carlson's 6 y/o book with that title: Part 1 - - Part 2 - - Part 3.
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Friday - July 12th 2024 8:28AM MST
PS
From what I remember Sailer first used "Deep State" in conjunction with Turkey.
Where there was a fellow exiled to the US who ran a bunch of schools. Many of the people who ended up in positions of power in Turkey turned out to have been educated in those schools. Which is how they ended up removing their Ataturkist secular state and now it's Muslim...
Or something like that.
From what I remember Sailer first used "Deep State" in conjunction with Turkey.
Where there was a fellow exiled to the US who ran a bunch of schools. Many of the people who ended up in positions of power in Turkey turned out to have been educated in those schools. Which is how they ended up removing their Ataturkist secular state and now it's Muslim...
Or something like that.
Anyway, I just put another post up about this. One more is to come.