Posted On: Saturday - July 20th 2024 10:54AM MST
In Topics:   Elections '16 - '24  History  US Feral Government  Geography
Let's look at the maps, finally! I'll comment some, and I hope we have lots of good comparisons and contrasts in the comments. 1924 v 2020 here is mostly good enough, but go to the gray map in Intro. just below for the exact century-apart differences. I'm gonna go backwards in time, from the familiar to the unfamiliar... the strange old country called Calvin Coolidge era America.
There have been some major changes to the State power structure. I may miss a few, so if I don't see anything specific in the comments already, I'll add to this post. Then too, right now, I'm just thinking of the changes in power, but not as much the changes in the political leanings. Are these good elections to enable us to see the latter? Does Trump v Dark Brandon in '20 as compared to Coolidge v John Davis (with 3rd Party candidate Robert LaFollette getting a significant share, 16.6%, of the popular vote*) make a good comparison of that sort? I won't answer that now - I'll leave it as an exercise for E.H. Hail on his or this blog, perhaps. If you haven't already, you may want to read our post, granted, taken mostly from Wiki, about the politics of the Presidential election of (that other) '24.
Let's just discuss the weight of the votes across the continent. This is fun stuff - Peak Stupidity LUVS them some maps! There are a few very big things to note first.
Look at that New York and other pre-Rust Belt mighty industrial State in the lower northeast. Forget Michigan even, and we see that 3 States, New York, Pennsylvania, and Ohio alone accounted for 107, or 20%, of the total EVs! Today, those 3 States account for only 64, or just under 12% of the EVs. This formerly major regional power had decreased in representation by 41%.
The industrial might of the big cities in the prairie (as opposed to plains) States, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, Missouri** made for 85, 16%, of the EVs in 1924. Today, with that industrial having gone over to such "States" of GuangDong, Jiangsu, and Hubei, this area accounts for 55, 10% of the EVs. This region's representation has decreased by 36%.
Then there's California. Though the ideas had been proposed a few years earlier, the big water projects weren't started in earnest until a decade after 1924. I don't know if anyone had yearned to come to the near-Paradise in and of California yet. The State did just lose one - they've always got more legal immigrants and illegal aliens, but the good Conservative, mostly White folks are having enough and leaving - but their 54, right at 10% is still the tops for a single State. In 1924, California accounted for 13, a measly 2 1/2% of the EVs. California's representation has increased by a factor of 4.
How about the Deep Solid South? I'll make it really easy here and take that region as the blue States in the 1924 map. Why were they solid D-voting even still in 1924? Old habits die hard, I guess. In 1924 those 12 States provided 136, just over 25%, of the EVs. As of 2024, Texas has exactly twice as many EVs. Texans used to be citizens of their own country. Not many might consider their State part of The South. Florida south of Interstate 4 and the shoreline west of Panama City is not really the South either now. Based on its EVs allotted, Florida has grown the most proportionally of ANY State during the past century. (I'll have to check that for sure.) Still, we got what we go - can't go splitting off counties for this EV analysis, of course, so taken as a region called The South, these 12 States now provide 171, just under 32% of the EVs, That's a 28% increase in representation for The South, The South as depicted in 1924 anyway.
(Is Virginia even in The South anymore? I won't do numbers by county, but I'd guess that 90% of the land still is, but only 50% of the people are... sucks to be part of the FS metro area.)
I have to quit this for now. More to come on this end, and hopefully from the readers too.
* This may seem to not matter so much, since he only won his home State of Wisconsin. However, that's not the case, when you think about the voting results within States. I'd guess that Mr. Follette took votes that would otherwise have gone to Mr. Davis. I don't know - I wasn't there.
I was around in 1992, when Ross Perot got a greater percentage, 18.9%, of the popular vote (but no EVs). I would bet money that most of his votes came from erstwhile Bush, Senor, voters. I'd have been one of them, BTW, had I not voted L based on Ross's wishy-washedness that summer - I realize now that Mr. Perot was likely under pressure by the Deep State. I shoulda' supported him more... yeah, like I alone could have changed history, ha!
** One could rightly include Michigan and Indiana too.
Comments:
Mr. Anon
Monday - July 22nd 2024 8:32PM MST
PS
@Moderator
I haven't checked out Sailer's substack and don't intend to. Some substackers actually put a lot of stuff on their sites at no charge. Sailer has indicated he intends to charge a fee. I'm not averse to paying for good content, but why should I pay money to be called a "knucklehead" (Steve's term for the anti-lockdown crowd).
@Moderator
I haven't checked out Sailer's substack and don't intend to. Some substackers actually put a lot of stuff on their sites at no charge. Sailer has indicated he intends to charge a fee. I'm not averse to paying for good content, but why should I pay money to be called a "knucklehead" (Steve's term for the anti-lockdown crowd).
Moderator
Monday - July 22nd 2024 1:02PM MST
PS: Thanks for the reply to my question, Mr. Hail. I went and read Mr. Sailer's posts on Kamala (the holiday tweet one I linked to in the most recent post, the one about the rock-climbing), and then one about the Secret Service D.I.E. program.
Mr. Sailer misses that the SS has multiple departments. As much as it would still screw White men who want a good career and like detail work, the anti-counterfitting dept could have the women, and the protection details then don't need to hire any, still getting to 30% or whatever quota.
I've got a short post coming on that.
"... there is a lot of limited usability if you don't have an active account that they can work hard to monetize (tracking you and targeting ads or etc at you)."
Yeah, it's important to get interested people who are deadbeats financially when you are starting up and growing. Since everyone knows X now, I guess they are happy to try to make the lives of these people who are not really down with the program, like me, miserable... their twitter lives, that is, which I don't have, so.
I do notice that VDare shows me some really old-tweets, the same ones usually, to the right side of their main page. Actually, the tweets slow down the loading there, so that's anything but helpful to me.
Mr. Sailer misses that the SS has multiple departments. As much as it would still screw White men who want a good career and like detail work, the anti-counterfitting dept could have the women, and the protection details then don't need to hire any, still getting to 30% or whatever quota.
I've got a short post coming on that.
"... there is a lot of limited usability if you don't have an active account that they can work hard to monetize (tracking you and targeting ads or etc at you)."
Yeah, it's important to get interested people who are deadbeats financially when you are starting up and growing. Since everyone knows X now, I guess they are happy to try to make the lives of these people who are not really down with the program, like me, miserable... their twitter lives, that is, which I don't have, so.
I do notice that VDare shows me some really old-tweets, the same ones usually, to the right side of their main page. Actually, the tweets slow down the loading there, so that's anything but helpful to me.
Moderator
Monday - July 22nd 2024 12:52PM MST
PS: Hello, J1234!
First, I noted the 2 States that do not have a winner-takes-the-State system. I forgot to mention those, and I'd have run out of room for all these exceptions, but that is pretty interesting - how they split over the many elections.
I do realize there'd be better representation with smaller, district-sized granularity, indeed, as you wrote, with the major rural v urban split. The Founders were big on Federalism, the States being nearly sovereign (with Common Defense and a few other small things being the only exception early on). One's State was a lot closer to a what's a country now*, which is why many people get Robert E. Lee's decision wrong.
So, I guess the idea was and still is (excepting your and the one others') that this State wants this, and that State wants that and it's all about the States. Before Amendment 17, when Senators were elected by the State legislatures, the local folks within a State had the big power too.
It may be complicated and really paper-work intensive, but to me what'd help representation is to let States secede from others, combine into that State of Jefferson, etc. Things have been to stagnant for a long time.
I guess we are all used to "the way it is" - I'd have a hell of a time with the maps here even being a little disgruntled by the inconsistencies. ;-}
Speaking of the maps, I went ahead and cut out (from wiki) and uploaded the maps for all elections from 1928 through 2020. I want to do more posts, not as much on the change in EV apportionment, but the changes in the voting habits of the different regions.
Another thing that has been extremely stagnant since only 1/3(?) of the way along the history of the US is the political parties. I did notice that there were more higher-vote-getting 3rd party candidates in the past. The UniParty is very late 20th and a 21st century thing.
* With even more authority, I'd guess, than member nations of the EU have today.
First, I noted the 2 States that do not have a winner-takes-the-State system. I forgot to mention those, and I'd have run out of room for all these exceptions, but that is pretty interesting - how they split over the many elections.
I do realize there'd be better representation with smaller, district-sized granularity, indeed, as you wrote, with the major rural v urban split. The Founders were big on Federalism, the States being nearly sovereign (with Common Defense and a few other small things being the only exception early on). One's State was a lot closer to a what's a country now*, which is why many people get Robert E. Lee's decision wrong.
So, I guess the idea was and still is (excepting your and the one others') that this State wants this, and that State wants that and it's all about the States. Before Amendment 17, when Senators were elected by the State legislatures, the local folks within a State had the big power too.
It may be complicated and really paper-work intensive, but to me what'd help representation is to let States secede from others, combine into that State of Jefferson, etc. Things have been to stagnant for a long time.
I guess we are all used to "the way it is" - I'd have a hell of a time with the maps here even being a little disgruntled by the inconsistencies. ;-}
Speaking of the maps, I went ahead and cut out (from wiki) and uploaded the maps for all elections from 1928 through 2020. I want to do more posts, not as much on the change in EV apportionment, but the changes in the voting habits of the different regions.
Another thing that has been extremely stagnant since only 1/3(?) of the way along the history of the US is the political parties. I did notice that there were more higher-vote-getting 3rd party candidates in the past. The UniParty is very late 20th and a 21st century thing.
* With even more authority, I'd guess, than member nations of the EU have today.
Hail
Monday - July 22nd 2024 10:02AM MST
PS
There is a way to subscribe to a Substack without paying, such that a "fake email" could get you the ability to comment or track comment-discussions. You would be unable to see the 'Subscriber Only' posts and comments.
Getting people to "change platforms" is quite difficult, which is why once a few big monopolies like Twitter/X emerged, they just began to sponge-up everything. Twitter itself is now a semi-closed space, in that there is a lot of limited usability if you don't have an active account that they can work hard to monetize (tracking you and targeting ads or etc at you).
There is a way to subscribe to a Substack without paying, such that a "fake email" could get you the ability to comment or track comment-discussions. You would be unable to see the 'Subscriber Only' posts and comments.
Getting people to "change platforms" is quite difficult, which is why once a few big monopolies like Twitter/X emerged, they just began to sponge-up everything. Twitter itself is now a semi-closed space, in that there is a lot of limited usability if you don't have an active account that they can work hard to monetize (tracking you and targeting ads or etc at you).
J1234
Monday - July 22nd 2024 10:02AM MST
PS-
Thanks for some great insights on the changing dynamics of the electoral college, Mr. Moderator. You brought up some things I hadn't considered before.
I think about the electoral college a bit because I live in one of two states that apportions electoral votes by legislative district rather than by the state wide "winner takes all" system that other states have. Currently, that legislative district approach results in a wash (pretty much) because the red state of Nebraska has one blue vote, and the blue state of Maine has one red vote (see the Peak Stupidity map.) Yet I wonder how the US at large would lean if all the country's electoral votes were determined at the legislative district level rather than the state level. I haven't done the math, but I would imagine someone has. If anyone is aware of such an analysis, please let me know.
It's an interesting question because I view the notion of representation for territory-derived polities/cultures/values as one of the best rationales in defense of the electoral college system. I'm not sure the legistative district approach accomplishes that (in fact, I have a fair bit of distrust of it at this point) but as some people (like Sailer) have pointed out: values, politics and world views today may be more a function of rural/small town or city VS. urban/big city than of state VS. state.
What do you all think? Could the rural/smaller city parts of New York, California and Illinois (etc.) benefit conservatives overall in presidential elections? The flip side of that is what happened in Nebraska: The legislative district of the state capital and university went blue.
"This is fun stuff - Peak Stupidity LUVS them some maps!"
I love the 1972 map. No, it doesn't represent how much America loved Nixon. It represents how much the country hated the radical left (as personified by McGovern) back then. Probably other reasons for the landslide, but that was the big one, IMO. (BTW, I'm guessing this never could've happened with a EC system like the one I just described.)
https://www.270towin.com/1972_Election/
Thanks for some great insights on the changing dynamics of the electoral college, Mr. Moderator. You brought up some things I hadn't considered before.
I think about the electoral college a bit because I live in one of two states that apportions electoral votes by legislative district rather than by the state wide "winner takes all" system that other states have. Currently, that legislative district approach results in a wash (pretty much) because the red state of Nebraska has one blue vote, and the blue state of Maine has one red vote (see the Peak Stupidity map.) Yet I wonder how the US at large would lean if all the country's electoral votes were determined at the legislative district level rather than the state level. I haven't done the math, but I would imagine someone has. If anyone is aware of such an analysis, please let me know.
It's an interesting question because I view the notion of representation for territory-derived polities/cultures/values as one of the best rationales in defense of the electoral college system. I'm not sure the legistative district approach accomplishes that (in fact, I have a fair bit of distrust of it at this point) but as some people (like Sailer) have pointed out: values, politics and world views today may be more a function of rural/small town or city VS. urban/big city than of state VS. state.
What do you all think? Could the rural/smaller city parts of New York, California and Illinois (etc.) benefit conservatives overall in presidential elections? The flip side of that is what happened in Nebraska: The legislative district of the state capital and university went blue.
"This is fun stuff - Peak Stupidity LUVS them some maps!"
I love the 1972 map. No, it doesn't represent how much America loved Nixon. It represents how much the country hated the radical left (as personified by McGovern) back then. Probably other reasons for the landslide, but that was the big one, IMO. (BTW, I'm guessing this never could've happened with a EC system like the one I just described.)
https://www.270towin.com/1972_Election/
Moderator
Monday - July 22nd 2024 8:28AM MST
PS: No matter what - I was pissed about iSteve's general attitude ("the data says WE need to do", as in "we need to be made to do" this, or that) during the Covid, he IS a really readable and likable guy.
While going to the site just now to get the info for my *'d PS to Mr. Hail, I went to a post about Kamela, equity, and mountain climbing. Here's an excerpt:
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Kamala’s cartoon depicts a black mountain climber as being too stupid to follow the trail to the cliff chosen by his smarter white partner. Thus, the discriminated-against black man can’t reach the magic rope that somehow pulls the privileged white mountaineer up as if he’s riding a ski-resort towrope. (In reality, climbers use ropes for safety, not to be effortlessly winched up the incline by an invisible mechanism.) The racist rope makes the black guy sad, so he sulks.
But then, apparently, a vast Biden-Harris Administration equity initiative elevates the entire crust of the earth. Now the black climber is finally at the starting place he should have been at if only he’d imitated the white guy. In the happy ending, the black climber joins his white friend on the summit, where, side by side, they stare into the big gay sunset.
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Haha! You gotta give him this, he makes no effort to be PC, even when it's not related the subject matter.
While going to the site just now to get the info for my *'d PS to Mr. Hail, I went to a post about Kamela, equity, and mountain climbing. Here's an excerpt:
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Kamala’s cartoon depicts a black mountain climber as being too stupid to follow the trail to the cliff chosen by his smarter white partner. Thus, the discriminated-against black man can’t reach the magic rope that somehow pulls the privileged white mountaineer up as if he’s riding a ski-resort towrope. (In reality, climbers use ropes for safety, not to be effortlessly winched up the incline by an invisible mechanism.) The racist rope makes the black guy sad, so he sulks.
But then, apparently, a vast Biden-Harris Administration equity initiative elevates the entire crust of the earth. Now the black climber is finally at the starting place he should have been at if only he’d imitated the white guy. In the happy ending, the black climber joins his white friend on the summit, where, side by side, they stare into the big gay sunset.
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Haha! You gotta give him this, he makes no effort to be PC, even when it's not related the subject matter.
Moderator
Monday - July 22nd 2024 8:24AM MST
PS: Questions for Mr. Anon or Mr. Hail, then, since the former brought up commenting under stevesailer.net posts. This is not about the money, as I won't start commenting again due to "life is short" more than anything, but do you have to subscribe in order to comment? Would that be paid subscription or either? (Mr. Sailer made it clear that non-paying subscribers, and of course, non-subscribers too, will not be able to read so much after a while.)
When it asked me for email to comment* that got me thinking that I was getting into a TUR comment situation - it was not just about the trouble to get an anon email acct. and start.
The question is, if I did give an email, would that have subscribed me or not?
* BTW, Mr. Hail, I did try to find the comment I meant to reply to. I think it was to Bill something(?), but unfortunately, as opposed to on TUR, one can't click on a name and get a list of his comments. Oddly, you get 4 tabs showing other stuff - under "Follow", it's Posts, Notes, Likes, and Reads. Unfortunately "Notes" does not mean the guy's comments. That sucks. So far I could not get to what I meant to reply to, and as time goes by, well, it's less likely I will.
When it asked me for email to comment* that got me thinking that I was getting into a TUR comment situation - it was not just about the trouble to get an anon email acct. and start.
The question is, if I did give an email, would that have subscribed me or not?
* BTW, Mr. Hail, I did try to find the comment I meant to reply to. I think it was to Bill something(?), but unfortunately, as opposed to on TUR, one can't click on a name and get a list of his comments. Oddly, you get 4 tabs showing other stuff - under "Follow", it's Posts, Notes, Likes, and Reads. Unfortunately "Notes" does not mean the guy's comments. That sucks. So far I could not get to what I meant to reply to, and as time goes by, well, it's less likely I will.
Mr. Anon
Sunday - July 21st 2024 8:08PM MST
PS
@Hail
I still follow Sailer's site out of inertia, I suppose. It is easy to comment there, and it fullfills my need to comment on things. But I stopped donating money to him after he went all in on the COVID insanity.
More recently he seems intent on pissing off his long-time readers with his flippant snark. Anyway, there are fewer and fewer people who comment there whom I find interesting, and more and more who are just tiresome; like the vile COVID/Ukraine shill "HA", and of course the ubiquitous shyster "Jack D". It's just not fun anymore. I'll probably give up on it altogether.
@Hail
I still follow Sailer's site out of inertia, I suppose. It is easy to comment there, and it fullfills my need to comment on things. But I stopped donating money to him after he went all in on the COVID insanity.
More recently he seems intent on pissing off his long-time readers with his flippant snark. Anyway, there are fewer and fewer people who comment there whom I find interesting, and more and more who are just tiresome; like the vile COVID/Ukraine shill "HA", and of course the ubiquitous shyster "Jack D". It's just not fun anymore. I'll probably give up on it altogether.
The Alarmist
Sunday - July 21st 2024 7:12AM MST
PS
I haved lived abroad for a quarter century. Most of my dealings in English are with London, so my e-mails, etc. use British-English spelling. I retain my American accent, though I do occasionally things like controvery as ‘con-trov-er-sy’ rather than ‘con-tro-ver-sy.’ I have a flat in London, though I live mostly in France.
So one evening I was dining in Dallas with an American who asked me what I thought about America. I replied that I like to come to the USA from time to time to get a sense of life on this side of the pond. So he asks what I like about America versus England, and I rattle off a few things. Then he asks if I think I could live in “here.”
It dawned on me at this point that my New Jersey born interlocutor thought I was British, English at that, probably because I don’t tawk like a Noo Yawker or someone from that neck of the woods, and I don’t talk like someone from Texas, and Texas was probably as far from Jersey as he ever lived. So I smiled and said with a slight Texas twang, “I’m originally from Florida, but I used to live down the road in the Hill Country. I’m sure they’d have me back.”
I haved lived abroad for a quarter century. Most of my dealings in English are with London, so my e-mails, etc. use British-English spelling. I retain my American accent, though I do occasionally things like controvery as ‘con-trov-er-sy’ rather than ‘con-tro-ver-sy.’ I have a flat in London, though I live mostly in France.
So one evening I was dining in Dallas with an American who asked me what I thought about America. I replied that I like to come to the USA from time to time to get a sense of life on this side of the pond. So he asks what I like about America versus England, and I rattle off a few things. Then he asks if I think I could live in “here.”
It dawned on me at this point that my New Jersey born interlocutor thought I was British, English at that, probably because I don’t tawk like a Noo Yawker or someone from that neck of the woods, and I don’t talk like someone from Texas, and Texas was probably as far from Jersey as he ever lived. So I smiled and said with a slight Texas twang, “I’m originally from Florida, but I used to live down the road in the Hill Country. I’m sure they’d have me back.”
Bring Out Your Dead
Saturday - July 20th 2024 9:02PM MST
PS: “A Yankee is someone who lives north of I-10 by choice.”
I was once in conversation in Austria with a lovely Canadian lady who asked me what part of England I was from. When I replied that I was from Scotland and that calling me English was a bit like calling her American, she went into uber-apologetic mode (she was Canadian, after all). “I’m so sorry,” she gushed. “I didn't mean to offend you.” I assured her that no offense was taken, but it did bring home to me how horrified she was at the thought of being taken for an American.
Good Times. 🇦🇹 🇨🇦
I was once in conversation in Austria with a lovely Canadian lady who asked me what part of England I was from. When I replied that I was from Scotland and that calling me English was a bit like calling her American, she went into uber-apologetic mode (she was Canadian, after all). “I’m so sorry,” she gushed. “I didn't mean to offend you.” I assured her that no offense was taken, but it did bring home to me how horrified she was at the thought of being taken for an American.
Good Times. 🇦🇹 🇨🇦
Moderator
Saturday - July 20th 2024 8:51PM MST
PS: Mr. Hail, I still haven't watched clips of any of the speeches, Hulk Hogan's (from what people've written) being one that I should watch first, or maybe Ron DeSantis' and Tucker's.
I did go read the post by Heartiste that you put into your site's comment section. I remember the guy and the term Manosphere. Did he not change his handle either FROM something else to Chateau Heartiste or TO something else? It is on the tip of my tongue (mind, really), and I didn't find it with a quick search on-line. I think I read him steadily for a few months back in those days - probably mid-00s.
Is MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) still a movement of sorts? I mean, I'm sure plenty of men want no part in the feminist-controlled social/dating scene, but I wonder if it's still a movement with active websites.
I did go read the post by Heartiste that you put into your site's comment section. I remember the guy and the term Manosphere. Did he not change his handle either FROM something else to Chateau Heartiste or TO something else? It is on the tip of my tongue (mind, really), and I didn't find it with a quick search on-line. I think I read him steadily for a few months back in those days - probably mid-00s.
Is MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) still a movement of sorts? I mean, I'm sure plenty of men want no part in the feminist-controlled social/dating scene, but I wonder if it's still a movement with active websites.
Moderator
Saturday - July 20th 2024 8:44PM MST
PS: "Unless clear evidence surfaces, that intention was at work." Dieter, I see evidence of a conspiracy (orders, at least) to LIHOP*. The evidence is that there were Secret Service agents doing things so badly that's it's not believable. I mean, seeing Mr. Crooks for 2 minutes (last I heard) and not just not shooting him, but not getting on the radio to warn the agents around Trump.
Maybe you mean better evidence, as in text messages or memos that give away the orders to basically stand down. No, we don't have that yet, I guess. You did write "clear and undeniable", which means no speculation.
OTOH, you might ask "How would they know that Thomas Crooks was going to show up?" I don't know. If they weren't involved with him, maybe there are people like this who come out quite often but are usually dissuaded by a more capably presence by the Secret Service and local cops. Yes, I hope we can find some clear and undeniable evidence before it gets buried.
I appreciate your take on the possible mental state of Thomas Crooks.
* Just came upon that acronym - "Let It Happen On Purpose", one, maybe the lowest level of possibly conspiracy here.
Maybe you mean better evidence, as in text messages or memos that give away the orders to basically stand down. No, we don't have that yet, I guess. You did write "clear and undeniable", which means no speculation.
OTOH, you might ask "How would they know that Thomas Crooks was going to show up?" I don't know. If they weren't involved with him, maybe there are people like this who come out quite often but are usually dissuaded by a more capably presence by the Secret Service and local cops. Yes, I hope we can find some clear and undeniable evidence before it gets buried.
I appreciate your take on the possible mental state of Thomas Crooks.
* Just came upon that acronym - "Let It Happen On Purpose", one, maybe the lowest level of possibly conspiracy here.
Moderator
Saturday - July 20th 2024 8:31PM MST
PS: That was an interesting web page discussing the debt during different Presidencies, Mr. Smith. Thanks for that. I see you've got your pseudo-HTML tags there to show what you'd LIKE to do, haha. PS won't let you, but can you pick up striked-out characters one at a time. (Might be a lot of trouble, but just askin'...)
Alarmist, that Florida cracker was pretty strict with that definition. I saw a TV news reporter way back in 1976 when Jerry Ford and Ronnie were candidates in the GOP primary election. Reagan had just lost Florida, I think, and the reporter made fun of Reagan's remark that "Florida is not a Southern State". He meant politically, with the big Jewish and Cuban influence (before the boatlift) in south Florida. The reported said snarkily "I guess that's why it's so cold down here." They could be a-holes even way back then.
Alarmist, that Florida cracker was pretty strict with that definition. I saw a TV news reporter way back in 1976 when Jerry Ford and Ronnie were candidates in the GOP primary election. Reagan had just lost Florida, I think, and the reporter made fun of Reagan's remark that "Florida is not a Southern State". He meant politically, with the big Jewish and Cuban influence (before the boatlift) in south Florida. The reported said snarkily "I guess that's why it's so cold down here." They could be a-holes even way back then.
Hail
Saturday - July 20th 2024 6:57PM MST
PS
-- Hulk Hogan endorses Calvin Coolidge --
Sorry, that comment-title is wrong, but the 'mixed' imagery does present a good contrast of the 1920s vs. 2020s.
For attention of those who may have missed it, see my comment here --
https://peakstupidity.com/index.php?post=3060
-- on the attention-getting Hulk Hogan appearance at the RNC. The full appearance is ten-minutes (see link to New York Post version). The Hulk Hogan appearance was during the hour of direct lead-up to Trump's speech.
Am curious to hear what anyone thinks of the "Trump warm-up acts." Most people seem to be saying that Trump himself didn't give a very good speech, at least not the one people were expecting. They expected a new, magnanimous Trump, the wizened king. His "warm-up acts," including the performance by Hulk Hogan, may even overshadow him.
The difference between 1924 and 2024 couldn't be clearer, in terms of the way public-facing politics is conducted. This is not Hulk Hogan's fault.
Who -is- responsible for robbing much of American life of the quality of moral-seriousness and baseline-dignity seen back in the 1920s? I have my ideas. The answer is that a Third Worldization process has occurred, including to many Whites. It didn't have to be this way.
-- Hulk Hogan endorses Calvin Coolidge --
Sorry, that comment-title is wrong, but the 'mixed' imagery does present a good contrast of the 1920s vs. 2020s.
For attention of those who may have missed it, see my comment here --
https://peakstupidity.com/index.php?post=3060
-- on the attention-getting Hulk Hogan appearance at the RNC. The full appearance is ten-minutes (see link to New York Post version). The Hulk Hogan appearance was during the hour of direct lead-up to Trump's speech.
Am curious to hear what anyone thinks of the "Trump warm-up acts." Most people seem to be saying that Trump himself didn't give a very good speech, at least not the one people were expecting. They expected a new, magnanimous Trump, the wizened king. His "warm-up acts," including the performance by Hulk Hogan, may even overshadow him.
The difference between 1924 and 2024 couldn't be clearer, in terms of the way public-facing politics is conducted. This is not Hulk Hogan's fault.
Who -is- responsible for robbing much of American life of the quality of moral-seriousness and baseline-dignity seen back in the 1920s? I have my ideas. The answer is that a Third Worldization process has occurred, including to many Whites. It didn't have to be this way.
Hail
Saturday - July 20th 2024 6:46PM MST
PS
CHEATEAU HEARTISE on STEVE SAILER:
The writer known as Chateau Heartiste, previously known as Rossiy, has just written an interesting essay dealing with the "arc" of Steve Sailer as he sees it. It is not flattering but it is worth reading, for this man is not some bozo-nobody but a well-established blogging voice. It is a response to my and Dennis Dale's commentary of a few weeks ago. You can read it here:
https://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2024/05/31/dennis-dale-on-steve-sailer-the-perils-of-success/#comment-52000
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For those who don't know this man, Mr. Heartise: he was a very big deal in the proto-Alt-Right blogging world beginning in the late 2000s and all throughout the 2010s. He was a pro-man voice, an early and influential figure in what some came to call the "Manosphere" or Men's Rights movement. He was long known as a "dating advice" guy (to put it favorably towards him), but also known for ethno-nationalist political views. He was perceptive enough to see were so badly needed, in part the feminism issue being tied to the racial-decline issue, I suppose.
The man was a great talent, a great writer, and had the right sort of Mencken-like waustic wit suited to the early 21st century. He drew huge audiences to his blog, real readers and engagers, not social-media fluff but real long-form reading.
Over the course of the 2010s, Mr. Heartiste turned more towards racialism and all but phased out the "dating advice" side of his writing, except when specifically requested to comment on something by followers.
Among the wave of digital purges of the late 2010s, he was life-banned, his blog terminated on all the major platforms and none would re-host him. He found refuge only at Gab.
Somebody in early 2013, or so, put together a proto-Alt-Right and Alt-Right-adjacent ideological "network" schematic of bloggers, clustered around several nodes. The creator of that schematic gave Chateau Heartiste connections to three nodes: "Masculinity," "HBD," and "Ethno-Nationalism." (Steve Sailer was connected to two nodes: "Secular Traditionalist" and "HBD"; I believe Sailer linked a number of times to Roissy/Heartiste in those earlier years.)
https://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/map-dark-enlightenment.png
CHEATEAU HEARTISE on STEVE SAILER:
The writer known as Chateau Heartiste, previously known as Rossiy, has just written an interesting essay dealing with the "arc" of Steve Sailer as he sees it. It is not flattering but it is worth reading, for this man is not some bozo-nobody but a well-established blogging voice. It is a response to my and Dennis Dale's commentary of a few weeks ago. You can read it here:
https://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2024/05/31/dennis-dale-on-steve-sailer-the-perils-of-success/#comment-52000
--
For those who don't know this man, Mr. Heartise: he was a very big deal in the proto-Alt-Right blogging world beginning in the late 2000s and all throughout the 2010s. He was a pro-man voice, an early and influential figure in what some came to call the "Manosphere" or Men's Rights movement. He was long known as a "dating advice" guy (to put it favorably towards him), but also known for ethno-nationalist political views. He was perceptive enough to see were so badly needed, in part the feminism issue being tied to the racial-decline issue, I suppose.
The man was a great talent, a great writer, and had the right sort of Mencken-like waustic wit suited to the early 21st century. He drew huge audiences to his blog, real readers and engagers, not social-media fluff but real long-form reading.
Over the course of the 2010s, Mr. Heartiste turned more towards racialism and all but phased out the "dating advice" side of his writing, except when specifically requested to comment on something by followers.
Among the wave of digital purges of the late 2010s, he was life-banned, his blog terminated on all the major platforms and none would re-host him. He found refuge only at Gab.
Somebody in early 2013, or so, put together a proto-Alt-Right and Alt-Right-adjacent ideological "network" schematic of bloggers, clustered around several nodes. The creator of that schematic gave Chateau Heartiste connections to three nodes: "Masculinity," "HBD," and "Ethno-Nationalism." (Steve Sailer was connected to two nodes: "Secular Traditionalist" and "HBD"; I believe Sailer linked a number of times to Roissy/Heartiste in those earlier years.)
https://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/map-dark-enlightenment.png
Dieter Kief
Saturday - July 20th 2024 2:14PM MST
PS
Mod - this is an answer to a former post of yours about Joe Rogan and his conspiracy ideas about the Butler-shooting - I want ot add a few things - I hope this is no double post - - -I have checked, but could not find it - could be my bad:
Mod. you wrote:
"They are usually on the ultra-cautious side. That they were anything but, should tell us that it's likely not just D.I.E.-bred incompetence that nearly got Trump assassinated. Should I say "helped get him assassinated"?"
I hesitate to agree. Because dumb has no boundaries: It can always get dumber: This is an iron law.
As soon as dumb does the job, I go with dumb: Unless clear evidence surfaces, that intention was at work.
But such clear and undeniable evidence does not show up. Joe Rogan makes all of his conclusions like the perfectly dumb amateur: I see a parallel with past killings of residents: and wooooosh - - -I have the proof. - He is too full of hunting-euphoria to see that his reasoning is - far - too simple to be true.
II
Then there is the character of the assassin Thomas Matthew Crooks: Nerdy - most likely psychiatrically severely ill 20 year old in the Bermuda Triangle between autism, social complete neglect (a real nowhere man) and:Severe psychiatric illnesses like bipolar disorder and depression and/or schizophrenia... as so often: a rather bright guy mind you (math prize of his school - self-encrypted cell phones the secret Service can't find access to - maybe self-programmed - . . . and this hurting young man had made a statement on a gaming platform - that it was him who'd be working at something big to come....
Remember that such - nihilists (Dostojewski) often appear/present themselves in such strange ways, that they fit in no pattern of those that see them: they can hide in plain sight. Because they don't care really: they are fixated on their great plan, but - don't want more from life: they .w.a.n.t. to disappear with their big plan!
Suicide by Cop is - - -part of their plan!
They are really playing a losing game (think of Captain Ahab too).
Mod - this is an answer to a former post of yours about Joe Rogan and his conspiracy ideas about the Butler-shooting - I want ot add a few things - I hope this is no double post - - -I have checked, but could not find it - could be my bad:
Mod. you wrote:
"They are usually on the ultra-cautious side. That they were anything but, should tell us that it's likely not just D.I.E.-bred incompetence that nearly got Trump assassinated. Should I say "helped get him assassinated"?"
I hesitate to agree. Because dumb has no boundaries: It can always get dumber: This is an iron law.
As soon as dumb does the job, I go with dumb: Unless clear evidence surfaces, that intention was at work.
But such clear and undeniable evidence does not show up. Joe Rogan makes all of his conclusions like the perfectly dumb amateur: I see a parallel with past killings of residents: and wooooosh - - -I have the proof. - He is too full of hunting-euphoria to see that his reasoning is - far - too simple to be true.
II
Then there is the character of the assassin Thomas Matthew Crooks: Nerdy - most likely psychiatrically severely ill 20 year old in the Bermuda Triangle between autism, social complete neglect (a real nowhere man) and:Severe psychiatric illnesses like bipolar disorder and depression and/or schizophrenia... as so often: a rather bright guy mind you (math prize of his school - self-encrypted cell phones the secret Service can't find access to - maybe self-programmed - . . . and this hurting young man had made a statement on a gaming platform - that it was him who'd be working at something big to come....
Remember that such - nihilists (Dostojewski) often appear/present themselves in such strange ways, that they fit in no pattern of those that see them: they can hide in plain sight. Because they don't care really: they are fixated on their great plan, but - don't want more from life: they .w.a.n.t. to disappear with their big plan!
Suicide by Cop is - - -part of their plan!
They are really playing a losing game (think of Captain Ahab too).
The Alarmist
Saturday - July 20th 2024 12:41PM MST
PS
Good evening, Messers Smith & Moderator.
As a good old Florida Cracker once told me, “A Yankee is someone who lives north of I-10 by choice.”
🤔
🕉
Good evening, Messers Smith & Moderator.
As a good old Florida Cracker once told me, “A Yankee is someone who lives north of I-10 by choice.”
🤔
🕉
Adam Smith
Saturday - July 20th 2024 12:16PM MST
PS: Hello, Mr. Moderator!
I hope you're enjoying your weekend.
𝐼𝑠 𝑉𝑖𝑟𝑔𝑖𝑛𝑖𝑎 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑛 𝑖𝑛 𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑆𝑜𝑢𝑡ℎ 𝑎𝑛𝑦𝑚𝑜𝑟𝑒?
No. Modern day Virginia is not part of 𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑆𝑜𝑢𝑡ℎ.
(In my opinion,) Maryland and North Carolina are not Southern states either. And as you say, (most of) Florida is definitely 𝑛𝑜𝑡 a Southern state. (Culturally and socially Florida is a different thing. Whatever that might be?)
🎶 Mister, we could use a man like <s>Calvin Coolidge</s> Andrew Jackson again! 🎶
https://www.self.inc/info/us-debt-by-president/
Today is a good day to have a great day!
https://engrish.com/wp-content/uploads//2024/06/good-day-great-day.jpg
I'm off to hunt me some hornworms.
Cheers! ☮️
I hope you're enjoying your weekend.
𝐼𝑠 𝑉𝑖𝑟𝑔𝑖𝑛𝑖𝑎 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑛 𝑖𝑛 𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑆𝑜𝑢𝑡ℎ 𝑎𝑛𝑦𝑚𝑜𝑟𝑒?
No. Modern day Virginia is not part of 𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑆𝑜𝑢𝑡ℎ.
(In my opinion,) Maryland and North Carolina are not Southern states either. And as you say, (most of) Florida is definitely 𝑛𝑜𝑡 a Southern state. (Culturally and socially Florida is a different thing. Whatever that might be?)
🎶 Mister, we could use a man like <s>Calvin Coolidge</s> Andrew Jackson again! 🎶
https://www.self.inc/info/us-debt-by-president/
Today is a good day to have a great day!
https://engrish.com/wp-content/uploads//2024/06/good-day-great-day.jpg
I'm off to hunt me some hornworms.
Cheers! ☮️
Mr. Anon: Sailer is not posting anything about "Covid" or lockdowns on the Sailer Substack.
I don't know his current thinking on the Corona-Panic. I'd like to think he is ashamed of his role in it, and embarrassed over the whole thing. Maybe like an enthusiastic Red-Chinese who really got carried away with the "Cultural Revolution," looking back on the thing ca. 1980. It's possible he still sees the "Anti-Panic" side as dangerous maniacs.
Some of his recent writing suggests such a view, but I view that as hedging for different purposes. See my essay, "Dennis Dale on Steve Sailer: The perils of success":
https://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2024/05/31/dennis-dale-on-steve-sailer-the-perils-of-success/