Posted On: Friday - December 20th 2024 6:53PM MST
In Topics: Immigration Stupidity TV, aka Gov't Media Media Stupidity
Peak Stupidity readers may be incredulous hearing that I truly didn't know who the CNN girl in the video below was until a minute ago, when I went back to the PJ Media page on which I saw it first. It's Kaitlan Collins, cute, but evil - tough combo to deal with. Border Tsar Tom Holman deals pretty well though...
I am amazed he held his temper in response to some of these question/statements. Of course, Miss Collins attempted multiple times to turn a program designed to save what's left of the American nation into millions of potential sob stories. "What if the baby wants to stay, and ..." This went on and on.
At the end, Mr. Homan noted that the deportation of the 700,000 or so hard-core criminal illegals (they're all criminals, having broken into the country to begin with), including the extremely violent Salvadoran MS-13 and Venezuelan Tren de Aragua gang members would be the 1st priority. This idiot Collins then asked 3 times whether the ICE would "be able to get all of them". What was she getting at? If they end up missing 5 or 50 of them, what, would it mean this program was a failure? At this point, had I been Mr. Homan, I would have had to call Kaitlan Collins retarded... but she's pretty cute, so maybe that's all that held him back.
I'm impressed with Tom Homan. He doesn't fall for the fake feeelllings of the Lyin' Press. He seems to have a good idea of how this deportation program would be implemented, with special "collateral" bonuses in Sanctimony Cities.
Also, Mr. Homan said that there's "no daylight" between (the views of) him and Stephen Miller. What a dynamic duo they could be! We are hopeful.
If it's not the Lyin' Press holding this guy back, I sure hope it isn't President Trump himself who does so. Trump is susceptible to being stymied by his need to be liked.
As for the stupidity of this piece of work Kaitlan Collins again, during most of the interview I kept wondering if she realized that Trump, Tom Homan, Steve Miller, and half the country are doing these things in part to keep cute women like her from spending their lives in grave danger living miserably lives in a multicultural nightmare. Would she not appreciate living in a decent high-trust society with Affordable Family Formation*, or is it that she figures she's with the elite, she'll be fine, and screw everyone else? Perhaps, she's just plain stupid and has not thought about any of this. We are nearing the peak, any
Whoa! Whoa! Take your pills first. (I don't know. Any of them.)
The unbiased media? Has anybody seen the unbiased media? Where's that confounded unbiased media?
* H/T, Steve Sailer.
Comments:
Moderator
Sunday - December 22nd 2024 8:24PM MST
PS: Mr. Anon, I don't think any illegal aliens will leave (unless they were going to anyway, you know, pending a DUI manslaughter case, etc, to come back next year as Jose-B) until they think there's a serious chance they will be deported. They don't believe this either, based on '17-'20 and all the other years since President Eisenhower's Operation Wetback.
Homan sounds very serious. I think he is, but Trump's still his boss. Trump can take the flak to a point, but, patriotic regular Americans notwithstanding, if he gets the feeling that the program is not rating well on TV, he may hold back Mr. Homan. More likely, they'll distract Trump with all kinds of obstacles, and he'll lose his focus, with the program petering out.
I agree completely with workplace enforcement. I do understand the plight of building contractors, etc, as if everyone else is getting the cheap labor (cheap for them, as other Americans pay the rest in school taxes, hospital bills, etc.), it's hard to make it as the one guy hiring Americans only, at higher pay rates. So, you make examples of some of them. Yes, make a series of busts, both big and small, and keep this up. It can't be just a few stunts.
Homan sounds very serious. I think he is, but Trump's still his boss. Trump can take the flak to a point, but, patriotic regular Americans notwithstanding, if he gets the feeling that the program is not rating well on TV, he may hold back Mr. Homan. More likely, they'll distract Trump with all kinds of obstacles, and he'll lose his focus, with the program petering out.
I agree completely with workplace enforcement. I do understand the plight of building contractors, etc, as if everyone else is getting the cheap labor (cheap for them, as other Americans pay the rest in school taxes, hospital bills, etc.), it's hard to make it as the one guy hiring Americans only, at higher pay rates. So, you make examples of some of them. Yes, make a series of busts, both big and small, and keep this up. It can't be just a few stunts.
Mr. Anon
Sunday - December 22nd 2024 12:42PM MST
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What will really be necessary to stem the flow of illegal immigration, in addition to a wall, will be a very public campaign to arrest and convict US employers who hire illegal aliens. Fines, jail time; Make a few examples. Throw some building contractors and packing-plant operators in some Club Fed for a while. Maybe arrest them in public at a trade show or convention, so the message sinks in.
What will really be necessary to stem the flow of illegal immigration, in addition to a wall, will be a very public campaign to arrest and convict US employers who hire illegal aliens. Fines, jail time; Make a few examples. Throw some building contractors and packing-plant operators in some Club Fed for a while. Maybe arrest them in public at a trade show or convention, so the message sinks in.
Mr. Anon
Sunday - December 22nd 2024 12:38PM MST
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@Hail
I certainly am skeptical (to the point of mistrust) that there will be any follow-through on deportations, given Trump's track record from his first term.
Hohman seems sincere. It's possible that his public "Get the Hell Out and Stay Out" tour is an attempt to induce illegals to self-deport ahead of the Trump administration taking office, making the job easier when they do. But I don't know. Maybe it's all just bluster.
@Hail
I certainly am skeptical (to the point of mistrust) that there will be any follow-through on deportations, given Trump's track record from his first term.
Hohman seems sincere. It's possible that his public "Get the Hell Out and Stay Out" tour is an attempt to induce illegals to self-deport ahead of the Trump administration taking office, making the job easier when they do. But I don't know. Maybe it's all just bluster.
Moderator
Saturday - December 21st 2024 10:37AM MST
PS: Yes, Mr. Hail, Mitt Romney* said nothing that calm analytical VDare writers hadn't been discussing for a decade or more prior. (Hell, maybe he got the concept from VDare.) I'm not sure what the ctrl-left could officially have against people who'd broken the law coming in and wanted to go home before it was more forcible and embarrassing.
Anyway, as to the numbers, as worked out by people other than blowhard Trump:
"How many self-deportations would be induced per 100,000 forcible deportations? Would it be a straight-line relationship or (more likely) a curved relationship? If curved, where are "returns" the best (at the least as an academic question), i.e., what level of active deportations-per-month induces the most relative self-deportations and the largest drop in border-flow before serious "diminishing returns" set in?"
As you wrote:
"... what level of active deportations-per-month induces the most relative self-deportations and the largest drop in border-flow before serious "diminishing returns" set in?"
Yes, if I were to model the rate of self-deportations, I'd relate it to the RATE of deportations, not the total amount. If I were one of these "living in the shadows" low-info (cause, low smarts and low language skills) illegal Guatemalans and heard of only this one guy in town ever having ICE visit and seeing on the TV "200 people detained today, 5 in Chicago, 12 in NY, etc", I wouldn't be too awfully worried. Were it 10,000 daily, and I learned of 5 people I know being sent home this very week, I might consider my options. It wouldn't take too many weeks of this high rate, maybe a few months, for self-deportations to start happening in large numbers. The thing that Trump is good at is the publicity angle - if he were to pound on this subject often, telling illegals that "your time is nigh", ignoring the lulls and obstacles, he might get this ball rolling downhill.
Rather than some esoteric math models though, empirical results will give us the numbers to go by. Homan says he will have his guys hit the ground running on 01/20. Trump's job will be to run interference, keep the judges and lawyers guessing and at arms length - blow them off until the deal is so massive that no one judge can stop the thing. Ignore or at least obfuscate. NO DISTRACTIONS, TRUMP!
* I assume that was '12 primary candidate Mitt Romney rather than '12 Presidential candidate Mitt Romney. He caved on the whole issue once he won the primary. Ann Coulter has written about this - she was scorned, and that wasn't the last time.
Anyway, as to the numbers, as worked out by people other than blowhard Trump:
"How many self-deportations would be induced per 100,000 forcible deportations? Would it be a straight-line relationship or (more likely) a curved relationship? If curved, where are "returns" the best (at the least as an academic question), i.e., what level of active deportations-per-month induces the most relative self-deportations and the largest drop in border-flow before serious "diminishing returns" set in?"
As you wrote:
"... what level of active deportations-per-month induces the most relative self-deportations and the largest drop in border-flow before serious "diminishing returns" set in?"
Yes, if I were to model the rate of self-deportations, I'd relate it to the RATE of deportations, not the total amount. If I were one of these "living in the shadows" low-info (cause, low smarts and low language skills) illegal Guatemalans and heard of only this one guy in town ever having ICE visit and seeing on the TV "200 people detained today, 5 in Chicago, 12 in NY, etc", I wouldn't be too awfully worried. Were it 10,000 daily, and I learned of 5 people I know being sent home this very week, I might consider my options. It wouldn't take too many weeks of this high rate, maybe a few months, for self-deportations to start happening in large numbers. The thing that Trump is good at is the publicity angle - if he were to pound on this subject often, telling illegals that "your time is nigh", ignoring the lulls and obstacles, he might get this ball rolling downhill.
Rather than some esoteric math models though, empirical results will give us the numbers to go by. Homan says he will have his guys hit the ground running on 01/20. Trump's job will be to run interference, keep the judges and lawyers guessing and at arms length - blow them off until the deal is so massive that no one judge can stop the thing. Ignore or at least obfuscate. NO DISTRACTIONS, TRUMP!
* I assume that was '12 primary candidate Mitt Romney rather than '12 Presidential candidate Mitt Romney. He caved on the whole issue once he won the primary. Ann Coulter has written about this - she was scorned, and that wasn't the last time.
Moderator
Saturday - December 21st 2024 9:47AM MST
PS: " Sleight of hand is part of Trump's repertoire, and he can sometimes use petty yet sensational conflicts between himself and his adversaries to distract his base from what they should be paying attention to."
Agreed. I don't know if Trump is even aware of this sleight of hand moves. He listens to the last guy or few that he talked to for advice, goes with that, and then figures, oh, yeah, those promises... I didn't lie, it was just, like bullshit. [/Elwood Blues] Yes, I hope the Millers and Homans can hold him to his word, or just not be interfered with in their work.
I don't blame you for not watching the whole thing. That lady had me fuming after only a couple of minutes. Since you wondered, I don't recall that Mr. Holman brought that obvious argument up this time, but he's said this before - something that's obvious to those with common sense when faced with this sob story BS - if I get hauled in for DUI, they won't let me bring my kids with me either. Our family will get separated! No more DUI arrests!
Agreed. I don't know if Trump is even aware of this sleight of hand moves. He listens to the last guy or few that he talked to for advice, goes with that, and then figures, oh, yeah, those promises... I didn't lie, it was just, like bullshit. [/Elwood Blues] Yes, I hope the Millers and Homans can hold him to his word, or just not be interfered with in their work.
I don't blame you for not watching the whole thing. That lady had me fuming after only a couple of minutes. Since you wondered, I don't recall that Mr. Holman brought that obvious argument up this time, but he's said this before - something that's obvious to those with common sense when faced with this sob story BS - if I get hauled in for DUI, they won't let me bring my kids with me either. Our family will get separated! No more DUI arrests!
Moderator
Saturday - December 21st 2024 9:42AM MST
PS: Thanks for the comment, Jim. There's a lot in there. First, it does seem like the ctrl-left has been pretty quiet. Are they waiting for 1/20? Are they scared that rule-of-law might actually be applied to them? (I don't see why - Dark Brandon, or his caretaker at The Unit, could just proactively pardon "All protestors everywhere". Yeah, I know, there's non-Federal law...)
Perhaps they are waiting for actual action to start taking place before they come up with the next "Russia, Russia, Russia" type distraction.
Perhaps they are waiting for actual action to start taking place before they come up with the next "Russia, Russia, Russia" type distraction.
J1234
Saturday - December 21st 2024 2:18AM MST
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I'd guess that a significant number of leftists are counting on the mass-deportation promises to go the way of "build the wall" promises made by Trump in 2016. Are they correct? I sure hope not, but you never know. They don't seem as worked up about the election results as I predicted.
Trump's sometimes compulsive need to be liked that Achmed mentioned is a real thing. There's been little evidence of it during the either campaign, but during the last presidency it reared its ugly head now and then. With that in mind, the touchdown dances from the right need to stop SOON and the focus needs to shift DRAMATICALLY to holding the president-elect to his word. Sleight of hand is part of Trump's repertoire, and he can sometimes use petty yet sensational conflicts between himself and his adversaries to distract his base from what they should be paying attention to.
It's been said that Trump today understands the nature of the presidency better than he did in 2016. I hope so. Reelection won't be a consideration for him, but he needs Stephen Miller to keep him on track on immigration. Homan seems like a badass who doesn't care what the pretty reporters say or think, and that's good. I didn't listen to the whole interview because I can only take so much deliberate stupidity from the whores of the left, but I hope Tom pointed out to her that millions of American children have non-present parents due to incarceration or mandated rehab, etc. As he said, the presence of children shouldn't keep immigration laws from being enforced. Illegals shouldn't be exempt from the reality that everyone else has to face.
I'd guess that a significant number of leftists are counting on the mass-deportation promises to go the way of "build the wall" promises made by Trump in 2016. Are they correct? I sure hope not, but you never know. They don't seem as worked up about the election results as I predicted.
Trump's sometimes compulsive need to be liked that Achmed mentioned is a real thing. There's been little evidence of it during the either campaign, but during the last presidency it reared its ugly head now and then. With that in mind, the touchdown dances from the right need to stop SOON and the focus needs to shift DRAMATICALLY to holding the president-elect to his word. Sleight of hand is part of Trump's repertoire, and he can sometimes use petty yet sensational conflicts between himself and his adversaries to distract his base from what they should be paying attention to.
It's been said that Trump today understands the nature of the presidency better than he did in 2016. I hope so. Reelection won't be a consideration for him, but he needs Stephen Miller to keep him on track on immigration. Homan seems like a badass who doesn't care what the pretty reporters say or think, and that's good. I didn't listen to the whole interview because I can only take so much deliberate stupidity from the whores of the left, but I hope Tom pointed out to her that millions of American children have non-present parents due to incarceration or mandated rehab, etc. As he said, the presence of children shouldn't keep immigration laws from being enforced. Illegals shouldn't be exempt from the reality that everyone else has to face.
Hail
Friday - December 20th 2024 8:53PM MST
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Circulating on social media:
ALL I WANT
FOR CHRISTMAS IS
MASS DEPORTATIONS
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GfRZnbiXEAAJSxa?format=jpg&name=900x900
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Circulating on social media:
ALL I WANT
FOR CHRISTMAS IS
MASS DEPORTATIONS
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GfRZnbiXEAAJSxa?format=jpg&name=900x900
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Hail
Friday - December 20th 2024 8:53PM MST
PS
A rolling deportation count (like the 2020-retro Panic-era's rolling "case"-counts and rolling "death"-counts) would not be a complete picture because of two factors:
-- How much even symbolic deportations would dissuade future border-crossers, and
-- how many would "self-deport," to use a phrase that caused a firestorm of angry denunciations against Mitt Romney in 2012.
So some paired questions would have to be:
How many self-deportations would be induced per 100,000 forcible deportations? Would it be a straight-line relationship or (more likely) a curved relationship? If curved, where are "returns" the best (at the least as an academic question), i.e., what level of active deportations-per-month induces the most relative self-deportations and the largest drop in border-flow before serious "diminishing returns" set in?
These are practical questions that a get-it-done type of guy would be asking, that go way above Trump's occasional kneejerk-like statements. "Talk is cheap."
A rolling deportation count (like the 2020-retro Panic-era's rolling "case"-counts and rolling "death"-counts) would not be a complete picture because of two factors:
-- How much even symbolic deportations would dissuade future border-crossers, and
-- how many would "self-deport," to use a phrase that caused a firestorm of angry denunciations against Mitt Romney in 2012.
So some paired questions would have to be:
How many self-deportations would be induced per 100,000 forcible deportations? Would it be a straight-line relationship or (more likely) a curved relationship? If curved, where are "returns" the best (at the least as an academic question), i.e., what level of active deportations-per-month induces the most relative self-deportations and the largest drop in border-flow before serious "diminishing returns" set in?
These are practical questions that a get-it-done type of guy would be asking, that go way above Trump's occasional kneejerk-like statements. "Talk is cheap."
Moderator
Friday - December 20th 2024 8:01PM MST
PS: We ought to take bets on the number deported. Were I a betting man, I'd go with only a million, those hard-core criminals and a few more for show. However, I'm hoping for something a lot higher than I would bet on.
BTW, I'd say it's gotta be over 40 million by now. There's only one way to find out... I do think that if the program got rolling in some serious way, with. numbers like 10's of thousands on some days, there would be illegal aliens "walking before they make me run..." (self deporting) That would not include the Chinese and Indians, as they've come too far, and I doubt the Haitians either, as what could happen that would be worse than living in Haiti?
"Did President Eisenhower have a guy parading around on the media talking about Operation Wetback, or did he have a guy just do it?" Good point. Why draw fire now?
BTW, I'd say it's gotta be over 40 million by now. There's only one way to find out... I do think that if the program got rolling in some serious way, with. numbers like 10's of thousands on some days, there would be illegal aliens "walking before they make me run..." (self deporting) That would not include the Chinese and Indians, as they've come too far, and I doubt the Haitians either, as what could happen that would be worse than living in Haiti?
"Did President Eisenhower have a guy parading around on the media talking about Operation Wetback, or did he have a guy just do it?" Good point. Why draw fire now?
Hail
Friday - December 20th 2024 7:33PM MST
PS
Does anyone else have a bad feeling that we'll end up getting Blumpfed on the mass-deportation promise, such that a measly million (say) are deported and the rest are given a Trump Permanent-Residency Platinum Plan? (Symbolic moves, declare victory, and move on.)
To ask the question in a way more respectful of the first orange-haired president: How many deportations of the stock of circa 20-30+ million illegals (7-10% of the resident population) are to be expected?
Comparison...: Did President Eisenhower have a guy parading around on the media talking about Operation Wetback, or did he have a guy just do it?
Does anyone else have a bad feeling that we'll end up getting Blumpfed on the mass-deportation promise, such that a measly million (say) are deported and the rest are given a Trump Permanent-Residency Platinum Plan? (Symbolic moves, declare victory, and move on.)
To ask the question in a way more respectful of the first orange-haired president: How many deportations of the stock of circa 20-30+ million illegals (7-10% of the resident population) are to be expected?
Comparison...: Did President Eisenhower have a guy parading around on the media talking about Operation Wetback, or did he have a guy just do it?
I always thought that a deportation plan involving a $50,000.00 fine for hiring an illegal with half going to whoever reports it would go a long ways towards a good percentage of illegals self deporting.