The decline of The Woke - who do we thank?


Posted On: Thursday - December 26th 2024 11:56PM MST
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I'm not at all saying "The Woke"* has been nearly eradicated, but I'll get to that.



That's Amy Wax above. She's been a valiant fighter against The Woke. You can read about her travails, being suspended from parts of her position at the Univ. of Pennsylvania (Penn, for short) Law School, and being struggled against here and there for saying some obvious facts about race and ability, to, guess what, pass her classes at Penn Law School. It seems she ought to know, but not many would have the guts to straight out say things she has.

She also has made no effort to avoid the "wrong people". One of them has been Steve Sailer. Speaking of Mr. Sailer, the writer from which I learned of Professor Wax, I did a search for you - there are dozens. I'll add here that she's not just some political warrior - she's a smart lady, being a neurologist along with being a lawyer. (Regarding the latter, she seems like one of the 1% trying to give the others a good name.)

Now, I understand the question of Amy Wax having a special status, being a woman and a Jew, but, nah, she's the real deal. It might have been humorous, I suppose, for her to have claimed sexism! and anti-semitism! when politically attacked, but she didn't. She's too honorable, and, then too, she's too far gone for that to help her now. Read what's on the podium in our image. Yep, she went there, as they say figuratively, but, no, Professor Wax literally attended and spoke at the latest American Renaissance conference. When you work at an American university, you don't just up and come back from THAT!

Amy Wax is not the only one who's been fighting back, of course. The question that's come up lately, right here is, why has The Woke been under attack and declining lately? Who's responsible for this welcome development?

Though he never used the word "fad", I got the feeling that Mr. Sailer, when he fairly recently wrote a few times that The Woke was fading out, thought of it that way. Sorry to bring up an oldey, but, well it's not like the Pet Rock or (even further back) the Hula Hoop. People got sick of these things on their own. The former was just silly with no visible benefit, but at least the silliness of either of these did not harm anyone else. Nobody needed for these fads to end - they just did. That's how fads work.

Now, I believe the reason why Mr. Sailer thinks of The Woke as something that's going away simply because it's SO stupid is two-fold:

1) He does not think there is any Deep State** or Globalist elite conspirators or just evil people that want this stuff to continue and even expand.

2) As we'll discuss, crediting Donald Trump for anything is not a Steve Sailer thing. We all know that Trump is an egotistical boor, maybe someone you might call "low brow", but I don't hold this against him as much as I believe Mr. Sailer does.

That all said, Mr. Sailer HAS credited Trump, I think. The post of his I linked to is short:
Here’s a question:

Since the election, there seems to have begun a general cultural shift within institutions away from wokeness. The opposite happened the previous time Trump won in 2016.

How come?

And what’s next?
I DO credit Trump, so I think I'm in agreement with Mr. Sailer for now. The Woke is simply no kind of fad, though. Here's my take:

The election of Trump was the cause of the waning of The Woke. If it’d gone the other way, the Cultural Revolution 2.0 (which is what this is) would have only intensified. Wokeness would NOT have faded out. There are evil people behind it all, not just the idiots you see in tweets and on TV.

It’s not just the man, Trump, and his plans to at least clean out the BS within the Feral Gov’t that will be the change. It’s that Americans have shown that they have at least this one way of fighting back, voting successfully for someone not of the UniParty. What’s important is that the people – the brave Amy Wax types, but also millions of others in lower positions – can count on SOMEONE in power, if not “having their backs” if they resist, at least not being certain to railroad them, out of school, out of jobs, or into prison like Derek Chauvin and the Brunswick 3.

Is this counterattack against The Woke just some organic thing?

Mr. Hail, commented under said iSteve post that I and others are getting the cause & effect backwards. His logic was simply:
Both shifts happened before the (respective) elections.
Commenter Prester John agrees and expounded on this:
Well, here you may be confusing cause with effect. In 2016 Trump was the middle finger to the Beltway Ruling Class. In 2024 the second middle finger was raised, this time against the social movement that followed 2016. Social movements in this country are like firecrackers: generally they flame out and explode, after which they become a spent force. Same for wokeness. While it caught on with academia, Big Media and other Beltway Class apparatchiks, from the very beginning it never caught on with John Q. Public out there in flyover country who had other priorities than what percentage of the enrollment in Harvard Law School should be black. As with all social movements Wokeness, which was incoherent to begin with, degenerated into silliness and humbug. Quite naturally, John Q. Public’s response in 2024 was the same as it was in 2016–elect Trump. The only question that remains is whether any of what we call “Wokeness” will remain permanently embedded in society.
What I neglected to reply to Mr. John with was that The Woke hits everyone. It's not only about Yale Law School admissions. It's not only about pundits getting canceled from The View. It affects anyone with a corporate job, who has to worry about what he says and put up with being bombarded with ridiculous lies that he'd better not question if he wants to stay employed. It screws with the minds of students from Kindergartners to 5th year grad students.

What I did (remember to) reply with is to ask Mr. John and Mr. Hale what would be the situation if the vacuous but most assuredly Woke Kameltoe Harris had won the election? It’s not about what that dumb ditz would have said or done, but what the whole Regime apparatus would have. I don’t think ANYTHING Woke would be let to be toned down in any way, as much as, yes, people have had enough.

The people have had enough of a lot of crap, but they don’t want to get violent yet, so the Regime keeps pushing. The pressure behind the wokeness would only have gotten higher, both due to the same types as the face of the Regime and the fact that they would be more emboldened from having won with that vapid broad.

Let me look at the other side of it, election-wise. I voted for Trump all 3 times based mostly on his anti-invasion stance***. If he'd lost this one, even if the Regime didn't continue the Bai Dien surge, without deportations, America has been lost.

Yes, voting for Trump was also a big middle finger (as Prester John wrote). This counterattack against The Woke by he and his people feels good. Were the face of the Executive Branch still part of the Regime, I don't know if we'd have gotten very far with fighting this woke ... should I call it ... pandemic? Who would have the back of the Amy Waxes, Jared Taylors, and Steve Sailers, when the American Kier Starmers came for them? The only solution would have been to go to the guns.

This is most assuredly not over. I've seen with my own eyes that the Big Biz world hasn't perceptively shed The Woke. They do like to stay in good with the Feral Gov't, so perhaps there's just a lag right now. What we've still got is the useful idiots, some who really believe, to go back to the one example, that Amy Wax is somehow wrong about her students and others who know in their hearts she's right but can't bear to think like that, so cognitive dissonance rules their minds.

Behind these are the evil Communist types who want to humiliate traditional Americans by making them pretend to believe ideas that they know are wrong... oh, and ruin the country with D.I.E. incompetence in the process. For them having unqualified heart surgeons, rocket scientists, and rocket surgeons, for that matter, is a feature, not a bug.

Back to our minor disagreement, I wouldn't say that Trump started the counterattack, but he's leading it right now. We'll have more to say about that guy soon... it won't be so supportive.



* "Wokeness" doesn't sound so right as the noun. "The Woke" doesn't refer to the people directly here, but it could, I guess. Here I write the term in the same manner in which one would refer to "the Clap".

** As opposed to what I'd call "The Administrative State" (H/T, Tommy), as discussed in Will the REAL Deep State please stand up... and much earlier in What IS the Deep State?

*** Yes, I don't keep up, so the post on the BIG brewhaha with Musk, Trump, and Vikram (with Bannon in our corner) on the LEGAL immigration is coming still.

Comments:
Moderator
Monday - December 30th 2024 6:29AM MST
PS: "Woke-ism has what could be called its One Commandment: "We're never wrong, even when we do wrong things.""

Excellent concise take, and great examples, Jim.
J1234
Sunday - December 29th 2024 2:09PM MST
PS-

"....The elites of woke-ism rise to prominence through something akin to prophetic insight and divine experience (in their own eyes.)"


"So, as with E.H. Hail's posts about the Kung Flu Panic ("CoronaPanic" on his site), is this akin to a religion?"

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Yes, woke is akin to religion, but a largely unprincipled religion, which is why I made the "esoteric" parallel. It's more like a cult, I guess, or shamanism. There are few (if any) Ten Commandments-type lists of precepts in woke that make it clear who is attempting to be genuine and who is a fraud. The self-ascribed divine ordination of woke's leaders make them believe they're immune from scrutiny. E.g. :

-BLM can buy mansions with donation money, then accuse the people who criticize them for doing so of being racist.

-Martha's Vineyard can deport illegals from their community, yet decry the deportation of illegals from the country.

-Black cops killing an unarmed black guy in Memphis is still white-on-black racism.

- the legal principle of Reasonable doubt is sacred in the Central Park Five trial, but must must be ignored in the Derek Chauvin trial.

Woke-ism has what could be called its One Commandment: "We're never wrong, even when we do wrong things."
Moderator
Sunday - December 29th 2024 6:28AM MST
PS: Great comment, Mr. Smith. If it hadn't have appeared sometime this morning, I'd have put it in myself, using your link with the tags converted. (For some reason, I got my immediacy back, so I could have done this.)

Here, for anyone wanting to read Mr. Smith's comment on H-1B visas, foreign drivers, and the trucking industry on "The Unz Reveiw" and comment there:

https://www.unz.com/isteve/musk-vs-me/#comment-6921408

The "Newsweek" link:

https://www.newsweek.com/biden-just-gave-final-middle-finger-working-class-way-out-opinion-2003589

BTW, I used to have comments be in "whimming" for many hours, once for over 24 even. I tried not to take it personally - I don't think most of it is censorship even*, but just his getting around to it. Even it it's only 2 hours, it will ruin the ability to have a conversation on there.


* On occasion, I'm pretty sure ones that piss him off don't get on there for 1/2 a day.
Moderator
Saturday - December 28th 2024 6:02PM MST
PS: Oh, yeah, I to was going to praise J1234 four those 4 homophone eras in won or too sentences. That should be in the Guinness book of whirled records.

That last was a DJ joke, you wooden under... nobody would understand.
Adam Smith
Saturday - December 28th 2024 2:06PM MST
PS: Me again,

So, I have this rant of a comment languishing in moderation purgatory under steve's latest post.

https://i.ibb.co/m4Lx69T/Musk-vs-Me.jpg

He might approve it tonight, or tomorrow or whenever, but I'm going to post it here mostly because I want to see if I can post it with the html markers. So here goes...

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Good afternoon, everyone,

While we're all chattering on about the H-1B indentured servants program, "Joe Biden" just gave another <a href="https://www.newsweek.com/biden-just-gave-final-middle-finger-working-class-way-out-opinion-2003589">giant middle finger</a> to working class Americans. As <a href="https://landline.media/department-of-homeland-security-doubles-available-h-2b-visas/">LandLine Magazine</a> revealed a couple weeks back, the criminals masquerading as "government" have made an additional 70,000 H-2B visas available for next year, doubling this year's number.

Under the H-2B indentured servants program, employers can hire pre-Americans to perform nonagricultural work. A wide variety of industries take advantage of the program, including hospitality, tourism, landscaping, seafood processing and trucking.

Now, 130,000 visas might not sound like a lot in an economic zone as populous as the (formerly) United States, and 1,500 given to truckers even less so, but when you consider how bad the trucking industry is for drivers, you can see how much of a middle finger to truck drivers this is.

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The online trucking industry magazine FreightWaves has <a href="https://www.freightwaves.com/news/category/news/business/layoffs-and-bankruptcies">an entire section</a> of their website dedicated to nothing but trucking company bankruptcies and truck driver layoffs. A quick scan through the most recent articles show that over 4,000 truckers in the United States were laid off in October and November, and thousands more are at risk of being laid off as the companies they work for file for bankruptcy. (This number doesn't include many owner operators whose business closures are more difficult to track.)

So, other than ideological reasons, why on earth would Alejandro Mayorkas push for more foreign truckers? He gave us an excuse in a November press release. "There are employers across the country that can profit greatly from H-2B workers," Mayorkas said. "Authorizing these supplemental visas helps U.S. employers fill those positions... It helps fuel our economy while also providing a Lee-Gul pathway to citizenship for tens of thousands of pre-Americans." (No, Maykoras didn't refer to them as pre-Americans. He called them workers.)

Perhaps Mayorkas still believes in the "driver shortage narrative" that corporate lobbying groups have been pushing in an effort to extract subsidies from the taxcattle. But there isn't a trucker shortage; there's a retention crisis, the result of plummeting wages that can be traced back to the Motor Carrier Act of 1980. Thanks to Motor Law, the average driver's salary today is half of what it was in 1980.

The Biden regime's latest slap in the face is exactly the kind of policy that has kept truckers' salaries artificially suppressed. When greeted with bad working conditions, their answer is, let's bring in more indentured servants who can't complain.

Today, the trucking industry in America has come to rely heavily on migrant and immigrant labor instead of improving pay and conditions for Americans. Unfortunately, drivers from other countries are often untrained, dangerously incompetent, and many do not even speak English. Meanwhile, corrupt DMVs <a href="https://www.kcra.com/article/feds-dmv-employees-traded-cash-for-licenses/6424327">have been selling CDLs</a> without testing the drivers, proving yet again that the people who work for "government" are often corrupt and that licensing schemes have nothing to do with safety.

And because we all know how much Steve luvs traffic <s>accident</s>* <a href="https://americantruckers.com/crash-data/">crash data</a>...
(* There is no such thing as a car accident!)

Over the past eight years, there has been an alarming increase in fatal truck crashes. A significant factor contributing to this trend can be attributed to open borders and rampant wage dumping within the trucking industry. Wage dumping has led to the employment of untrained, incompetent non-licensed foreigners who are hired to cut costs and maximize profits.

Wage dumping has dire implications for public safety. For instance, an example occurred on May 13, 2024, on Arkansas 117 in Lawrence County. Mark Bryant, a 52-year-old from Jonesboro, lost his life when his Ford F-150 was struck by a Freightliner that veered across the centerline. The Freightliner was operated by a 26-year-old from Honduras, who was illegally in the country, lacked a Driver’s License and couldn’t communicate in English. 𝑇ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑑𝑟𝑖𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑘𝑒𝑑 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑎 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑝𝑎𝑛𝑦 𝑓𝑟𝑒𝑞𝑢𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑙𝑦 𝑐𝑖𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑓𝑜𝑟 ℎ𝑖𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑢𝑛𝑙𝑖𝑐𝑒𝑛𝑠𝑒𝑑 𝑚𝑖𝑔𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑑𝑟𝑖𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑠.

Similarly, in Colorado, the community mourned the loss of Scott Miller, aged 62, killed by an individual who was not only incompetent and also without license but ℎ𝑎𝑑 𝑏𝑒𝑒𝑛 𝑑𝑒𝑝𝑜𝑟𝑡𝑒𝑑 16 𝑡𝑖𝑚𝑒𝑠 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟 𝑎 𝑑𝑒𝑝𝑜𝑟𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑜𝑟𝑑𝑒𝑟 𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑡𝑖𝑚𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑎𝑡𝑎𝑙 𝑐𝑟𝑎𝑠ℎ. These cases have revealed a recurring pattern where drivers involved in such fatal <s>accidents</s> collisions face only minor charges <s>despite their</s> because of their <s>illegal</s> status and despite their negligence leading to loss of life.

Of course, pre-Americans lowering wages and taking jobs from truckers in flyover country is not nearly as important as pre-Americans lowering wages and taking jobs away from coders in silicon valley. It is perfectly understandable why few people would even care enough to notice.


Cheers! ☮️

Adam Smith
Saturday - December 28th 2024 1:38PM MST
PS: Good afternoon, everyone,

𝐼 𝑑𝑖𝑑𝑛'𝑡 𝑔𝑒𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 "𝑇𝑎𝑝 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑖𝑔𝑛" 𝑗𝑜𝑘𝑒...

That's why I hit Matthew Kelly's comment with an lol. It's not that his comment made me laugh, I just didn't think most of the iSteve commenters would understand the joke. Hell, I'm not even sure Matthew Kelly really understands it either. (Maybe he does. I don't know.) This began circulating like a year or so before this version of the Simpson's sign tapper meme...

https://i.ibb.co/m9sXXXR/in-the-coming-months.jpg

If I'm not mistaken this meme is a sort of spin off from a talking points memo that was allegedly making the rounds at media outlets in Australia in late 2022 or early 2023. And while I suppose we'll never truly know why they are (apparently?) backing off of some of the most egregious woke nonsense, it sure is nice to have a reprieve.

𝑇ℎ𝑎𝑡'𝑠 𝑤𝑜𝑛 𝑚𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑎𝑘 𝐼 𝑐𝑎𝑛'𝑡 𝑙𝑒𝑡 𝑠𝑙𝑖𝑑𝑒. 𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑢𝑟𝑠, 𝑡𝑤𝑜, 𝐼 𝑔𝑒𝑠𝑠.

Lol... Thanks Jim. (Merry Christmas!) And thanks for your interesting informative comment. I think Achmed is right. Woke-ism, like the VirusPanic and ClimateAlarm-ism, is a religion of sorts and therefore impervious to logic or reason. It's kind of amazing to watch.

I hope you guys have a great weekend. Happy Saturday! ☮️

Moderator
Saturday - December 28th 2024 1:00PM MST
PS: Great comment, Jim! Nice reading.

"Yes, as the above statement insinuates, "woke" is less of an ideology than it is an externalized (or politicized) psychology. For example, many woke-oids are people who are hypersensitive about whatever bullying, teasing, ostracizing, paternal abuse, etc. etc. they received growing up. They probably believed they had found an empowering movement in woke-ism, one that would finally give them the upper hand over their blond, blue-eyed, high school jock tormentors...or something.

That's woke's greatest failing as a movement: it's driven and guided by emotion, not principal. In that respect, woke-ism is a kind of a moral esotericism; The elites of woke-ism rise to prominence through something akin to prophetic insight and divine experience (in their own eyes.)"

So, as with E.H. Hail's posts about the Kung Flu Panic ("CoronaPanic" on his site), is this akin to a religion?
Moderator
Saturday - December 28th 2024 12:56PM MST
PS: I too am late in replying here, Mr. Smith.

"Not sure how they would have any way to affect policy though." Exactly. If the Kameltoe would have won, her handlers/puppetmasters would have made this even harder. The system is changing right now, at least the Admin. Branch, and maybe some other Institutions can be persuaded to back TF off. Without Trump, things would be getting worse already.

Your paragraph on the H-1B scam is a great way to put it. Thanks for that.

Also, I didn't get that "Tap the sign" joke until the "Simpsons" meme. OK.
Moderator
Saturday - December 28th 2024 12:52PM MST
PS: Hello again, Mr. Hail. I probably should take that whole Wash. Post article and paste it in here. Were they to sue me, I'd get all that exposure... what, shades of Trump there? It gives me an idea about this recent intense on-line battle that I don't have x-tickets for. I have strange new respect for Laura Loomer - being called a racist by the "Brown Lady" is the cat's meow. (What does "The Gray Lady" mean anyway for the NY Times?), not that I had anything against her before.

It's both, Mr. Hail, we don't have a [MORE], and it wouldn't be working if we had. ;-}

Thanks for pointing out your link. I didn't read that post, because iSteve's movie posts are about a subject I don't care about. However, as usual, obviously that thread has gone on to other topics.
J1234
Friday - December 27th 2024 10:54PM MST
PS-

Sorry, I meant "principle" not "principal." That's won misteak I can't let slide. Their are othurs, two, I gess.

-Jim
J1234
Friday - December 27th 2024 10:42PM MST
PS-

"....some who really believe, to go back to the one example, that Amy Wax is somehow wrong about her students and others who know in their hearts she's right but can't bear to think like that, so cognitive dissonance rules their minds. Behind these are the evil Communist types who want to humiliate traditional Americans by making them pretend to believe ideas that they know are wrong...."

Yes, as the above statement insinuates, "woke" is less of an ideology than it is an externalized (or politicized) psychology. For example, many woke-oids are people who are hypersensitive about whatever bullying, teasing, ostracizing, paternal abuse, etc. etc. they received growing up. They probably believed they had found an empowering movement in woke-ism, one that would finally give them the upper hand over their blond, blue-eyed, high school jock tormentors...or something.

That's woke's greatest failing as a movement: it's driven and guided by emotion, not principal. In that respect, woke-ism is a kind of a moral esotericism; The elites of woke-ism rise to prominence through something akin to prophetic insight and divine experience (in their own eyes.) The best that the non-elites can hope for is to stay in the good graces of woke's loosely defined inner circle, which usually involves taking up whatever cause the inner circle deems worthy. More often than not, "taking up the cause" just means giving it lip service. Nothing too difficult.

These peripheral lip service adherents of woke have been a critical component of the movement for years, creating the illusion that SJW's were everywhere. The illusion, however, couldn't last. Too many white SJW's won't leave their white enclaves or zip codes or school districts, or are unwilling to give lots of money to BLM, or are unwilling to give their "stolen" land back to the Indians...or let a mere 50 illegals move into their precious Martha's Vineyard.

As far as the decline of woke, I don't know if any of the things I've mentioned above can explain a decline, but yes, it IS happening. I don't quite agree with Achmed, I think woke's decline is too foundational to be attributed entirely to one (or a few) individual(s) or thing(s), BUT Trump probably have tipped the scales in our favor. If Trump tipped the scales, he was one of many things standing on the right side of the scale.

I've been thinking that 1972 would happen again. In '72, Nixon clobbered McGovern in a landslide for the history books, not because the people loved Nixon, but because they hated McGovern, or the left wing '60's extremism he (sort of) represented. They were sick of leftist '60's crap in '72, not because they turned right wing, but because humans naturally seek equilibrium (which the leftist '60's were not.)

In'72, the left's growing dominance of popular culture in the US was halted...a little bit, at least for a little while. Being a hippie or a socially preachy rock musician was no longer the coolest thing in the world, and a Southern Man didn't need Neil Young around, anyhow. Nostalgia for the 1950's and earlier eras were starting to blossom. Unfortunately, the 1970's in America eventually turned towards narcissism, hedonism and stupidity, but that's the fate of any nation that abandons its culture for pop-culture.

Was Trump's reelection in November the "1972" of our current time? I hope not. If it was, it was sure lackluster by comparison (to Nixon's win.) He should've clobbered Harris by a much greater margin. She truly was the worst major presidential candidate in US history. Certainly the dumbest, yet she got 75 million votes to Trump's 77 million. Woke may be leaving us, but a lot of its residual stupidity remains, and worse yet, the radical convictions may remain.

To see how many of those radical convictions remain, we'll have to wait and see how the leftists react to the next George Floyd event. There are no shortage of them in the US: "7 foot tall 'gentle giant' unarmed black man murdered by cops for 'non-compliance' (aka, going for cop's gun while on drugs.)"

These things happened on Biden's watch, but hardly a word was said about them. I doubt that will be the case with Trump. Only then will we know the current state of "woke."

Loved the blog topic, Achmed. Very good!

Good observation about the H-1B workers vs. American workers, Adam. That's something I wasn't aware of.
Adam Smith
Friday - December 27th 2024 6:34PM MST
PS: Good evening, Messrs. Hail and Newman!

Merry Christmas!
(Only 2 days late.)

(Jesus and his good friend Santa enjoying a delicious spaghetti and fried chicken dinner...)
https://i.ibb.co/w4sw40P/Jesus-and-Santa.jpg

I hope you guys enjoyed your holiday.
(I did. Mine was very nice and peaceful.)

𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑞𝑢𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡'𝑠 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑒 𝑢𝑝 𝑙𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑙𝑦, 𝑟𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡 ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑖𝑠, 𝑤ℎ𝑦 ℎ𝑎𝑠 𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑊𝑜𝑘𝑒 𝑏𝑒𝑒𝑛 𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟 𝑎𝑡𝑡𝑎𝑐𝑘 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑑𝑒𝑐𝑙𝑖𝑛𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑙𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑙𝑦? 𝑊ℎ𝑜'𝑠 𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑝𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑖𝑏𝑙𝑒 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑤𝑒𝑙𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑒 𝑑𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑙𝑜𝑝𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡?

Perhaps the sign tappers are correct?
https://www.unz.com/isteve/merry-christmas-7/#comment-6916826

𝐼𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑚𝑜𝑛𝑡ℎ𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑦𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑚 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑟𝑡 𝑏𝑎𝑐𝑘𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑑𝑜𝑤𝑛 𝑜𝑛 𝑎 𝑓𝑒𝑤 𝑤𝑜𝑘𝑒 𝑖𝑠𝑠𝑢𝑒𝑠 𝑑𝑢𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑐𝑒𝑟𝑛 𝑎𝑏𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑙𝑎𝑐𝑘 𝑜𝑓 𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑡𝑖𝑐𝑖𝑝𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑜𝑓 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑡𝑒 𝑚𝑒𝑛 𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑢𝑝𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑤𝑎𝑟. 𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑑𝑖𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑚𝑢𝑡𝑡𝑠 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑙𝑜𝑦𝑎𝑙 𝑐𝑜𝑤𝑎𝑟𝑑𝑠 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑖𝑛𝑐𝑎𝑝𝑎𝑏𝑙𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑤𝑖𝑛𝑛𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎 𝑤𝑎𝑟. 𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑓𝑖𝑟𝑠𝑡 𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑔𝑜𝑜𝑑 𝑔𝑜𝑦𝑠 𝑙𝑖𝑘𝑒 𝐽𝑜𝑒-𝑅𝑜𝑔𝑎𝑛 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑀𝑢𝑠𝑘 𝑡𝑜 𝑙𝑎𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑔𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑑 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑘 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑐𝑒𝑟𝑡𝑎𝑖𝑛 𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑎𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑏𝑒 𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑜𝑤𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑏𝑒 𝑝𝑢𝑠ℎ𝑒𝑑 𝑏𝑎𝑐𝑘 𝑜𝑛.

𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑡𝑒 𝑚𝑒𝑛 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑐ℎ𝑒𝑐𝑘𝑒𝑑 𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑡𝑖𝑐𝑖𝑝𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑖𝑛 𝑠𝑜𝑐𝑖𝑒𝑡𝑦 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑓𝑙𝑖𝑐𝑡 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦'𝑣𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑝𝑝𝑒𝑑 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑡𝑒𝑚𝑒𝑛 𝑡𝑜𝑜 ℎ𝑎𝑟𝑑 𝑟𝑒𝑐𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑙𝑦 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑎 𝑙𝑜𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑤𝑜𝑘𝑒 𝑛𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑠𝑒. 𝑆𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑟𝑜𝑙𝑙 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑒𝑛𝑜𝑢𝑔ℎ 𝑤𝑜𝑘𝑒 𝑛𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑠𝑒 𝑖𝑛 𝑡𝑖𝑚𝑒 𝑖𝑛 ℎ𝑜𝑝𝑒𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑟𝑒-𝑚𝑜𝑟𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑧𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑎𝑡𝑟𝑖𝑜𝑡 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑡𝑒 𝑚𝑒𝑛 𝑡𝑜 𝑔𝑜 𝑓𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑖𝑛 𝑎 𝑔𝑙𝑜𝑏𝑎𝑙 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑓𝑙𝑖𝑐𝑡.

𝐼𝑀𝑃𝑂𝑅𝑇𝐴𝑁𝑇: 𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑤𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑡𝑜 𝑔𝑒𝑛𝑜𝑐𝑖𝑑𝑒 𝑤𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑛 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑡𝑒 𝑚𝑒𝑛. 𝐷𝑜𝑛'𝑡 𝑏𝑒 𝑓𝑜𝑜𝑙𝑒𝑑 𝑏𝑦 𝑐𝑒𝑟𝑡𝑎𝑖𝑛 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑐𝑒𝑠𝑠𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑦𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑚 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑡𝑟𝑦 𝑡𝑜 𝑚𝑎𝑘𝑒. 𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑦 𝑚𝑢𝑐ℎ ℎ𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑦𝑜𝑢, 𝑏𝑢𝑡 𝑛𝑒𝑒𝑑 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑡𝑜 𝑓𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑤𝑎𝑟.

Or maybe Joe Sixpack, John Q. Public, and Sally Homemaker are getting tired of this nonsense. (Not sure how they would have any way to affect policy though.)

Or maybe the sign tappers are right, but for the wrong reasons...
https://i.ibb.co/WHJqZpp/Whites-Pay.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/fNGXGHL/Men-Pay.jpg

Maybe they're just being pragmatic by backing off a little?
(I don't know.) It does seem as though these shifts come from the top in an otherwise inorganic manner. Not really a natural fad like my pet rock.

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About the H-1B visa covfefe...

I agree with Ann Coulter on this one. Race hustlers like Vivek Ramaswarthy don't want to hire native born White Americans partly because of nepotism, but mainly because White Americans can quit their job if the employer gives them too much shit. H-1B workers do not have that luxury as losing the job means losing sponsorship. H-1B visa holders are also strangers in a foreign land who don't have the same social support system as people who live here which makes these workers more easily exploitable. H-1B visa holders, aside from being indentured servants, will also work for less money which helps put downward pressure on domestic wages; another perpetual ideological goal of the parasite class. If they simply wanted to exploit •Indian labor they could set up shop in •India. Unfortunately for Vivek and the other grifters like him, •Indians have more rights in •India than they do here as indentured servants under the H-1B program.

I guess it will be interesting to see what Dernald Blumph does. Will he be stapling green cards to diplomas? My guess is probably.

So cheers to a great evening, Messrs. Hail and Newman.
And Happy Kwanzaa!

☮️

Hail
Friday - December 27th 2024 2:44PM MST
PS

I posted a link to the Washington Post article, in this plain-text comment section, at:

https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-brutalist-as-history/#comment-6920140

(sorry to add/repost/host such a long comment, but the "More" tag-button on PS isn't working, or doesn't exist.)
Hail
Friday - December 27th 2024 2:32PM MST
PS

(I re-post the below, as it is of considerable interest right now. Published in last few hours, on the "Christmas H1b war of 2024" --- as usual, the Sailersphere was much earlier to the party and others catch up days, weeks, months, or years later):

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A MAGA 'CIVIL WAR' ON X BETWEEN MUSK AND THE FAR RIGHT OVER H-1B VISAS
by Pranshu Verma and Cat Zakrzewski

The Washington Post
December 27, 2024

Far-right activists clashed online with billionaire Elon Musk and other supporters of President-elect Donald Trump over the need for a skilled-worker immigration program that has long been a lifeblood for Silicon Valley — signifying a potential rift between Trump’s core nationalist base and technology executives who have come to support him.

The fight that spilled into public view over the holiday week could preview a wedge within Trump’s coalition over how to execute immigration policy, an issue that animated Trump’s White House campaign.

The controversy spread across X after far-right activist Laura Loomer on Monday criticized Trump’s choice to name Sriram Krishnan, a technology entrepreneur and investor who was born in India, as his senior policy adviser on artificial intelligence. She pointed to Krishnan’s previous support for removing some caps on green cards and easing the ability of skilled foreign workers to come to the United States. The policy is “in direct opposition” to Trump’s agenda, Loomer wrote.

The critique sparked a broader debate about immigration in the tech industry, which relies heavily on a visa program that allows foreigners with technical skills to work in the United States for up to six years under H-1B nonimmigrant status.

It ran headlong into tension with some of Trump’s closest advisers, notably Tesla and SpaceX CEO Musk; David Sacks, who will be the president-elect’s AI and crypto czar; and Vivek Ramaswamy, who will co-lead a commission to cut government spending.

Ramaswamy argued American culture doesn’t produce enough skilled workers to fuel cutting-edge companies. “‘Normalcy’ doesn’t cut it in a hyper-competitive global market for technical talent,” he wrote on X. “And if we pretend like it does, we’ll have our asses handed to us by China.”

The online fight sparked a slew of racist posts from Loomer and allegations of censorship. She said her X account lost its verified status and premium subscribers because Musk, who owns the platform, was retaliating against her.

A screenshot purporting to show that Loomer’s X account had been flagged for violating rules against “posting other people’s private information” bounced around the social network. The Washington Post could not independently verify the authenticity of the post.

“So much for free speech,” she said in an X post on Friday. “Quite totalitarian if you ask me.”

Notable Republicans, including former GOP presidential candidate Nikki Haley, championed Loomer’s position. “If the tech industry needs workers, invest in our education system,” Haley said in a post on X on Friday. “Invest in our American workforce. We must invest in Americans first before looking elsewhere.”

Tech executives, including Musk, have said they would prefer to hire American workers because obtaining visas for foreign workers can be time-consuming and costly. But Musk, who once held an H-1B visa and has relied on the program to employ thousands of Tesla employees, said recruiting foreign workers is a crucial way technology companies obtain the best engineering talent to compete globally.

“The number of people who are super talented engineers AND super motivated in the USA is far too low,” Musk wrote on X on Christmas. “If you want your TEAM to win the championship, you need to recruit top talent wherever they may be.”

The online feud reflects the challenges that Trump will have holding together the delicate political coalition that delivered him the White House, which included unprecedented levels of financial support from Musk and other Silicon Valley billionaires.

“It’s a sign of future conflicts,” said Samuel Hammond, a senior economist at the Foundation for American Innovation. “This is like the pregame.”

Krishnan declined to comment. Loomer and a representative for the Trump transition team did not respond to requests for comment. Trump traveled with Loomer during the campaign, but amid criticism of her previous statements, he said in September he doesn’t “control” her.

Trump has sought to position himself as a champion for legal immigration, even though he slashed pathways for immigrants during his first term. Trump has offered few specifics about how he will address high-skilled immigration in the tech industry during his second term.

On a June episode of the “All In” podcast, which is co-hosted by Sacks, Trump said he would automatically give a green card to every international student with a college diploma.

“If you graduate or you get a doctorate degree from a college, you should be able to stay in this country,” he said.

Ahead of the first Trump administration, many tech CEOs sought to build bridges with the president-elect during the transition with a meeting at his New York Trump Tower. But those delicate relationships broke down when Trump almost immediately rolled out what critics and federal judges have branded a “Muslim ban,” which prohibited U.S. entry by the citizens of several majority-Muslim countries.

The episode amounted to a “shock wave” in the industry, where many founders and workers are immigrants, Hammond said.

“Immigration is an economically important issue for tech, but also in many cases a personal one,” he said. “They all understand the inefficiencies and the bureaucracy around the U.S. immigration system and the Kafkaesque nightmares it can throw you in.”

But this time, the tech industry is far more directly intertwined in Trump’s transition. Self-described “first buddy” Musk has spent much of the time since Election Day by the president-elect’s side, and Trump has tapped many Silicon Valley investors and executives to serve in prominent roles within his administration.

As Silicon Valley companies compete to create artificial intelligence products, the need for foreign-born talent has intensified. Twenty-eight of the top 43 AI companies in the United States were co-founded by immigrants, and 70 percent of full-time graduate students in AI-related fields are international students, according to a 2023 analysis from the National Foundation for American Policy.

As Trump previews a hard-line immigration policy including militarized mass deportation of undocumented immigrants, many in the tech industry are pushing him to expand legal immigration for highly skilled workers. Some argue the shift is necessary for the United States to remain competitive with China.

Skilled immigration emerged as one of the top flash points between Trump and Silicon Valley during his first presidency. Although Trump at times acknowledged the need for American companies to recruit top talent, his administration limited the H-1B program. Stephen Miller, who helped craft some immigration policies during the first Trump administration, is returning to the White House as Trump’s deputy chief of staff for policy and homeland security adviser.

The online debate reverberated among Washington lawmakers, who have long pursued ways to improve the H-1B program. Rep. Ro Khanna, a Democrat who represents Silicon Valley, defended Krishnan and said he supported reforming the H-1B program.


“We should celebrate that immigrants like Elon Musk, Jensen Huang and Sriram Krishnan choose to come to the United States,” he told The Post. “This has fueled our economic and technology preeminence. I am glad Sriram is being appointed.”

The restrictions of H-1B visas during Trump’s first term faced fierce opposition from major tech companies. During the pandemic, Trump temporarily froze H-1B visas in a move the administration said would help Americans experiencing job loss. That same year, the Trump administration also introduced new rules tightening eligibility for H-1B visas and requiring companies to offer higher salaries to people on the visas. A federal judge later rejected some of the rules, including the salary provision.

During President Joe Biden’s final weeks in office, his administration has introduced rules to “modernize” the H-1B program by making it easier for international students to obtain the visas and improving the efficiency of the application process.

“These reforms target systematic misuse by IT consulting firms while acknowledging the program’s demonstrated net positive impact on U.S. technological competitiveness,” said Divyansh Kaushik, a vice president at Beacon Global Strategies.

Technology companies are particularly reliant on H-1B visas — which are capped at 85,000 new visas annually — to help recruit talent. Amazon, with 3,871 new H-1B employees, had the most approved new petitions in 2024, according to data compiled by the nonpartisan organization National Foundation for American Policy. Google had 1,058 approved applications, and Tesla had 742, the data showed. (The Post is owned by Amazon founder Jeff Bezos.)

Ramaswamy said in an X post on Thursday that the reason technology companies hire foreign-born engineers is because “American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long,” drawing criticism from notable pro-Trump personalities.

Brenden Dilley, a pro-Trump podcaster, shot back at Ramaswamy’s post. “I always love when these tech bros flat out tell you that they have zero understanding of American culture and then have the gall to tell you that YOU are the problem with America,” he wrote.

Loomer, who has 1.4 million followers on X, unleashed a slew of racist posts falsely describing Indians as “third world invaders” with low IQs, and calling the clash a “civil war” between Trump’s far-right base and the “tech bros” that have come to support his upcoming administration.

She also sparred with Musk over his support of the H-1B program, questioning the skills of Indian programmers at X because of glitches during a May live event on the site kicking off Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’s presidential campaign. “Loomer is trolling for attention. Ignore.” Musk said on X.

Loomer said she hopes the feud with Silicon Valley changes Trump’s views.

“Looking forward to the inevitable divorce between President Trump and Big Tech,” she said on X. “Let’s pray this fake Big Tech ‘love fest’ with Trump ends sooner rather than later.” (end)
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Hail
Friday - December 27th 2024 2:19PM MST
PS

Amy Wax is someone who, in her older years, may enjoy being a bit of a provocateur. She enjoys talking and probably, in some ways, enjoys the attention of being persecuted. Or maybe she'd always has these characteristics, but is more open about it now than she'd have been in the 1980s as a young woman.

Part of it is the old "not giving a damn anymore" once one is older and no longer on the upward 'career'-path. Part of it is probably because of the excesses of "Wokeness" in the 2010s. And another part is the ecosystem of media being so much more decentralized (probably a bad thing on net), there are always people to interview her whereas very few would've interviewed her in the 1990s or 2000s. So her story gained traction steadily after the Wokeness-crackdown against her some years ago, whereas it wouldn't have in the 1990s.

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Another key to Amy Wax is how she has said her father said that they as Jews should be thankful for White-Protestants and that Jews like them should respect the actual core-Americans who founded the country and gave it its shape, and should not disrespect or seek to undermine them. These are remembered childhood conversations and would tie to the 1960s, in Amy Wax's case.

The reason for such conversations was just how normalized it had become, by that time, for young Jews to essentially openly seek to undermine the host society and villify it. (The classic critics of Jews down through the years have tended to say this always happens when Jews enter a polity and get certain advantages: they go too far.) Amy Wax said she never once had that temptation in a serious way. While she is a typical Jewish woman in certain ways, she somehow didn't quite get that particular gene. People often compare her with Paul Gottfried in this respect.

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By the way, Ann Coulter interviewed Amy Wax about two weeks ago (1h20m). Ann Coulter had slammed Vivek Ramaswamy and said it would violate her sense of dignity and moral-right to ever vote for a Hindu-Indian for U.S. president, which Vivek R mocked as ignorant.

Amy Wax asked what Ann Coulter's problem with Vivek was. Ann Coulter began explaining it, but Amy Wax didn't let her finish and said something like, "Oh, I'm Jewish, I know all about people like Vivek: smooth-talking, high-verbal-IQ elites manipulating people," and both laughed.

Audio things being impossible to find things to cite, I can only offer the entire interview if any interested PS'ers want it:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-most-politically-incorrect-interview-yet/id1695911509?i=1000680846991
Moderator
Friday - December 27th 2024 2:10PM MST
PS: Say what?

;-} The power of the Moderator shall not be abused.

I don't know how I saw the wrong name in my head. Thanks, whomever!
PS
Friday - December 27th 2024 2:00PM MST
PS

Stretch23 is Mr. Blanc?
Moderator
Friday - December 27th 2024 11:47AM MST
PS: Stretch, I think of Woke as a conglomeration of political correctness on steroids, AA on steroids, Orwellianism, and a number of other things. I don't know if anti-White-male is what it solely is, but that's major part of it. If come up with another term that's better (I agree with you here), let me know.
stretch23
Friday - December 27th 2024 10:24AM MST
PS You are exactly right about the deep rot of "woke." I don't even like the term because it sounds so benign. What it represents is the complete denial of reality that all humans are gifted with widely varying abilities. We are not equal in our endowments! Mythical white supremacy is not responsible for different outcomes. The most pernicious and longest lasting of these errors in perceiving the world is that several generations have now been indoctrinated in these beliefs. They will not just gradually fade away because Trump is president.
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