Posted On: Tuesday - December 31st 2024 7:12PM MST
In Topics: Immigration Stupidity Americans Race/Genetics Anti-Social Media
NOTE: Big correction of the H1B visa issuance numbers! . That's not to mention the removal of the hyphen.
I stand by our polemics here, but, man, I am very much embarrassed by the (now corrected, with some strike-throughs for continuity) last words here about the size of the H1B visa program. I had numbers in my head from years of reading about these many abusable visa programs, but I've been off by a factor of 4 or 5 - NOT ACCEPTABLE! Sorry.
Because of my graphics difficulties (in a post in which they most needed) for one thing, and that I want to post something else first, a post about these H1B visas will appear in a few days.
Peak Stupidity will comment, but we have no bloggers embedded ;-} - get it?* - in this major ex-tweet war over what is an IMPORTANT and URGENT issue. It's 1/2, roughly by the numbers, of the Immigration Invasion issue, the EXISTENTIAL one for America.
By now, regular Peak Stupidity readers must have noticed that we don't embed tweets here. That's because we aren't even members. We have no blue bird icons, no LIKES, no followers, no leaders even. Screw it - it still confuses me who is responding to whom. No, I got the grammar, I don't get the format - worse yet, I don't WANT TO get the format.
It's the world though, and, I'll face it that the GOP-dividing discussion is on that "platform". I will give Elon Musk credit for getting amazing work done over these years, considering how much of a distraction the Anti-Social Media is. In fact, it relates to the big discussion. Part of the new incompetency mode that America is in** just has to be related to that people can't put their phones down. You've got a woman cutting your hair who will have to respond to something - maybe a funny tic-tok video, or a tweet about Taylor Swift's new hair style. In the meantime, some guys loading up your furniture put down the couch (and sit on it?) to tweet out "Screw Vikram!". It's not that I don't agree (on the latter - not sure about Taylor Swift's hair), but I see this in all occupations. People cannot concentrate for long like they used to.
Though thankfully I'm not all in there, madly typing on a 4" screen, LIKING, de-following, blocking, and getting banned on Day 1, I've read actual articles and and some tweet-fests pretending to be here and there on this H-1B question. It's a big battle generally between MAGA and the GOPe. Peak Stupidity is 100% ALL IN in favor of MAGA and an America for Americans.
As much as he's helped MAGA, maybe just for his own reasons, and doesn't like big government, Elon Musk is a Globalist. He wants his cheap Indentured Servant labor, dammit! As amazing and important a guy he is, Peak Stupidity has not mentioned him very much.*** Let him do what he does, but, when it comes to politics, we don't care and can't care what he tweets all day long. What he wants right now is the wrong thing for America. LEGAL immigration is part of the Population Replacement Programme. Elon is a White guy. I guess he doesn't care about his kids in this way.
Former pill salesman Vikram, OTOH, has apparently gone completely
Let me paste in text from a couple of tweets off of Breitbart to comment on:
The most down-in-the-mud, no offense intended, part of the brewhaha has been the torrents of insults flying back and forth between White Americans (many likely in the IT field who know what's what) and the โขIndians on twitter. Lots of ungratefulness and immoral tribal behavior can be seen on the part of the latter. The former have decided it's time to let it all out too. I agree with them, and I'm glad this has come to a head. Barring Elon Musk temper tantrum interference the arguments should continue till we straighten this out (for Trump). We have no Kier Starmer here in America, as hopefully a guy like that in the same position here would be simply assassinated before he got too grabby.
One Neera Tanden, of the old Newport, Rhode Island Tandens, I presume, wrote:
I am an Indian American who was born here and it's crystal clear that the Democratic Party sees me as American and a large part of the base of the Republican Party does not. I hope Indian Americans remember this moment at the next election. They don't see you as one of them. AndโฆAnd this matters why again? Only 22% (source) of you Indian women intended to vote for Trump in '24. We don't expect to make it up in volume in '28.
One Kekius Maximus wrote:
Yes.He's talking about MAGA people. Well, yeah, he's not wrong - we do need to remove ourselves from the GOPe. The divide over this important issue shows us why. (Or sure, if we can get our dues back, by all means, remove us yourselves.)
And those contemptible fools must be removed from the Republican Party, root and stem.
Scott Adams, supposedly one of the good guys, wrote:
MAGA is taking a page from Democrats on how to lose elections while feeling good about themselves.The election is over. Nobody in '28 will remember what happened in '24 anyway, but this question might as well be resolved now, before Trump does something completely
There's Musk himself, telling anyone like me that if we are against the H-1B program in its entirety, we should f__k ourselves in the face. I'm having real problems with that... imagining who could even do that, and how. This, and a big chunk of the tweets I've written are examples of the problem with rage on x-twitter. It's gotta be too easy to send something you regret a minute later and for a long time afterward. They warned me about email in that regard long ago.*****
See those retorts of mine? I could go on all day. I'd be good at it. I'd also not be married anymore, and my kid would have a really bad example to follow. So, since I'm not, I have a little time left to get to the point of this post.
The point of all this is to get The Donald going in the right direction on LEGAL immigration. Sure, Congress supposedly has something to do with it all, but we've got just under 1/2 Democrat destroyers, another big chunk of GOPe, slightly less jacked-up destroyers, and then MAGA. MAGA includes Trump - he built the movement, but, that doesn't have to last. Still President Trump is the one we need now to fight the Population Replacement Programme. We've been very very hopeful about the ILLegal side, but Trump's always been wishy-washy, at best about the LEGAL side. That's not good enough, as LEGAL and ILLegal immigration numbers have long been of the same order of magnitude.
Not too long ago, Trump came out with that "stapling of Green Cards" BS. I don't know - he does BS a lot, and it usually means nothing. Maybe there was even some strategy in there. (Act conciliatory - don't want immigrants to be mad or anything - get people complacent on that stuff until later, when you lay the hammer down.)
I was very hopeful when I heard Trump talking very strongly in interviews about Birthright Citizenship. That's a BIG ONE when it comes to legal immigration. VDare had that on its wishlist of Trump actions for a long time and would have been very excited lately. Here's what I think Trump's deal on the Bug-out Baby loophole is: He understands it's inherently a scam, just as we do. Other visa types are ripe for scams too, but the numbers aren't so large as they are for this one, and not all are inherently scams by design. So for Trump, the Bug-out Baby loophole should be eliminated because it's a scam, but not out of an incentive to reduce immigration numbers PERIOD.
Interestingly, as something I did follow at the time,
Since Elon Musk likely brought Trump over the top in '24, with his partial-but-serious removal of x-twitter censorship and general support, I imagine Trump is very grateful. Not only that, but as he's a highly successful technical guy, Trump must worship Musk as his #2 idol (#1 being, of course, Trump). Musk must have Trump's ear a lot. Though normally not a bad thing, due to Musk's greed and/or stupidity in his quest for cheap foreign labor, we can't have Trump consistently following Musk's advice, as he did Javanka's (even worse!).
No matter what flaws he does have, I don't seen Donald Trump as a guy who will do straight-out political payoffs. ("You support me, and I'll bring up your H-1B visa numbers.") He knows now that MAGA is not with him on everything, especially when he's about to screw the pooch in the fight against the PRP. Who will he listen to, the "TECH" Globalists or The Americans, MAGA, that is? We're hoping for the best. In the meantime, keep on tweetin'. (Oughta' be a bumper sticker.)
Finally, let me add that this H-1B visa discussion could be considered
Though a (big) skirmish in the numbers sense, this discussion, if I can call it that, has been and is, very important, as it must surely will branch out into the question of all the various forms of overwhelming LEGAL immigration. (About all we can brag about is that "Hey, well... like, Canada is worse!) The arguments probably already have branched out. This is a very good thing. 10's of millions of Americans can discuss what a few 100 thousand (max) have been discussing for years.
* I cracked myself up with that one - old www geek joke there.
** Our posts on this topic are kind of spread out, unfortunately.
*** One of the many reasons I quit regularly perusing The Gateway Pundit is that, every few paragraphs, there'd be an interruption with "Elong Musk said this!" and "Elon Musk LIKED that!" I don't care.
**** Sorry, 2nd time there. See, if you say "completely mental" to yourself in an upper-class British accent, you may, like me, remember the scene from one of the funniest movies ever - just saw it for the 3rd time A Fish Called Wanda.
***** In fact, only 6 months ago, I stopped myself from writing an email that would have gotten me into some trouble. I would have been right, but I waited half a day and mellowed it out.
****** I'd like to keep up there rather than reading all over the place, but, more importantly, all their archives would be organized again for the orders-of-magnitude more readers that may want to learn something. Hear me, Elon Musk?
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[UPDATED 10/03:] Peak Stupidity apologizes for major errors in the numbers here. Thanks go to Mr. Hail for his correction - we'll have a post including his info and more soon. I really thought I had the rough numbers in my head on this, as I have for a lot of things. I didn't this time. I have no idea from what area of this PPR business the 50,000-80,000 numbers came from, besides one possible thing. I'll get to that in the post to come - H1B caps, a complete scam!
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Comments:
SafeNow
Saturday - January 4th 2025 5:15AM MST
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The discussion of India migration involves tech workers, but the impact upon U.S. teaching hospitals, which Indians are flooding, is substantial. Indians, via the so-called โteaching cases,โ are training the next generation of U.S. docs.
The discussion of India migration involves tech workers, but the impact upon U.S. teaching hospitals, which Indians are flooding, is substantial. Indians, via the so-called โteaching cases,โ are training the next generation of U.S. docs.
Moderator
Friday - January 3rd 2025 8:54AM MST
PS: Additionally, though I new Indians were a significant part of the H1B visa influx, probably over half (in my mind), I didn't realize that their numbers have been just overwhelming until seeing some of the data.
From '17: https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/data/h-1b-2007-2017-trend-tables.pdf
I can only do a ratio for petitions filed rather than issuances, but assuming a similar rejection rate (and who knows how many Indians, probably having come in on H1B visas themselves, work in CIS or whoever is doing the approvals!), they were 74% of the whole thing. No wonder it's the Indians and TECH bosses vs. MAGA right now.
BTW, the one instance of that targeted employment ad that I witnessed personally, part of the H1B visa process, at least back then, was a Chinese guy. I wrote Oriental in the post, but, by his name, as I recollect it, I'm pretty sure he was Chinese.
From '17: https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/data/h-1b-2007-2017-trend-tables.pdf
I can only do a ratio for petitions filed rather than issuances, but assuming a similar rejection rate (and who knows how many Indians, probably having come in on H1B visas themselves, work in CIS or whoever is doing the approvals!), they were 74% of the whole thing. No wonder it's the Indians and TECH bosses vs. MAGA right now.
BTW, the one instance of that targeted employment ad that I witnessed personally, part of the H1B visa process, at least back then, was a Chinese guy. I wrote Oriental in the post, but, by his name, as I recollect it, I'm pretty sure he was Chinese.
Moderator
Friday - January 3rd 2025 8:43AM MST
PS: I've got some time this morning finally. Yes, I was way, way, off, and I have apologized in the post with an update.
I will write that other post probably on Monday. These are very big numbers, but as Adam has gotten to discussing, there are so many other ways to screw Americans with the PRP, that even the highest number (till Brandon/Mayorkas, mind you!) are 20% max of legal immigration.
Still, this is one that is hitting Affordable Family Formation the most, I'd say. It's a true cheap labor program, and you get the real feel for how it works upon reading of the totally useless caps (been 85,000 for well over a decade, meaning NOTHING) and then the "lottery" period. That period is a time for companies to go round up as man Indentured Servants as they can in a small period of time, like and OK land rush.
I will write that other post probably on Monday. These are very big numbers, but as Adam has gotten to discussing, there are so many other ways to screw Americans with the PRP, that even the highest number (till Brandon/Mayorkas, mind you!) are 20% max of legal immigration.
Still, this is one that is hitting Affordable Family Formation the most, I'd say. It's a true cheap labor program, and you get the real feel for how it works upon reading of the totally useless caps (been 85,000 for well over a decade, meaning NOTHING) and then the "lottery" period. That period is a time for companies to go round up as man Indentured Servants as they can in a small period of time, like and OK land rush.
Hail
Thursday - January 2nd 2025 7:21AM MST
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Since the honorable Moderator and loyal comment-readers here are experts to one degree or another on PS, we can probably make good guesses on WHERE each little bit of info that this thing spit out comes from; versus what is just made-up, plausible-sounding, AI-pablum.
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COMMENT: I think this is pretty good. I wonder where they're getting the info.
Since the honorable Moderator and loyal comment-readers here are experts to one degree or another on PS, we can probably make good guesses on WHERE each little bit of info that this thing spit out comes from; versus what is just made-up, plausible-sounding, AI-pablum.
The whole thing is "made-up, plausible-sounding AI-pablum, in truth; but some of it might contain snippet directly lifted from either this website itself or elsewhere. We do wonder...
How do people feel about the line: "The site pokes fun at both sides of the political spectrum"?
Moderator
Thursday - January 2nd 2025 6:58AM MST
PS: Mr. Hail, that State Department page ought to be the best source, so I don't know how I have seen numbers a lot lower and decreasing over the Trump term. I've followed VDare forever, and this is another example of why I wish they were up right now.
I'm not talking about the one bar graph on rejections of H-1B's that I saw in a comment on TUR, but I've seen data on H-1B admittees too. I wouldn't think actual entrants would be much different from issuances.
I've got to get to the bottom of this. Unfortunately, I probably won't have time till Friday some time. Thanks for your efforts. If that's correct, I've got to change the post. BTW, I may be able to contact someone who really knows this stuff.
Hello, Mr. Smith, nice hearing from you again!
Also, for all concerned here, a post for discussion of the various and sundry types of visas, immigrant and non-immigrant, is probably in order.
I'm not talking about the one bar graph on rejections of H-1B's that I saw in a comment on TUR, but I've seen data on H-1B admittees too. I wouldn't think actual entrants would be much different from issuances.
I've got to get to the bottom of this. Unfortunately, I probably won't have time till Friday some time. Thanks for your efforts. If that's correct, I've got to change the post. BTW, I may be able to contact someone who really knows this stuff.
Hello, Mr. Smith, nice hearing from you again!
Also, for all concerned here, a post for discussion of the various and sundry types of visas, immigrant and non-immigrant, is probably in order.
Adam Smith
Wednesday - January 1st 2025 8:30PM MST
PS: Good evening, Mr. Moderator!
Happy New Year!
๐ผ ๐๐ข๐๐ ๐ ๐ฆ๐๐ข ๐ค๐๐๐๐'๐ก ๐๐ข๐๐๐๐๐ ๐กโ๐ ๐๐๐๐ฃ๐๐ ๐๐ ๐กโ๐๐ก 30 ๐๐โ ๐๐๐ฆ.
Lol... What fun would that be?
I did indeed burn a couple large piles yesterday. But I did have to be a bit more careful than usual. Fortunately(?), the leaves were still a little on the damp side so they were less likely to get out of control. (And less likely to light from a stray ember.) But they were finally dry enough to get rid of.
We've had a bunch of rain, you see. (We even had 5 inches in the rain gauge one day.) I usually like to have them all cleaned up earlier in the season, but because of the rain and the cold weather a couple weeks back I couldn't get to this last round until now. (And I couldn't get to them sooner because they were still on the trees.)
I'm actually not quite done yet but I'm almost there. I burned a couple more piles this evening. Some of what I still have to blow I couldn't do tonight as the wind was blowing the wrong way. (Not as windy as yesterday, but I'd guess we were still blowing a consistent 20+mph or so. But the leaves were drier so they lit easier.)
๐ท๐๐ ๐ฆ๐๐ข ๐๐ข๐ ๐ก ๐๐๐๐ค '๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐กโ๐ โ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐?
Yes. Those that I didn't burn I just blow off the top and mostly into the ditch along the road by the circle driveway. (Some of them go across the street and into the holler.) I used to burn out the ditch every year but I've found that it is better to let them turn to mulch because it keeps the weeds from growing. (No need to create more work for myself.)(I also mow some of them but there are so many that I find burning as many as I can to be the most effective way to manage them.)
My batteries are 4ah. I can't tell you how long the chainsaw will run on a fully charged battery because I've only used it a few times for some light cleanup around the yard but the blower runs for about 25 minutes per fully charged battery. With 2 chargers and 4 batteries I don't get my break until a few hours in.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/india-its-worse-you-think
Thanks for the feedback on the H-2B comment the other day, Achmed. There is all this hype about the H-1B visas but by itself those are just the tip of the iceberg. They say that people coming in through these temporary work visas should be going home when they are done with their temporary job, but it seems that many of these people do use these temporary visas as a path to scoring a green card (permanent residency) and eventually citizenship. Speaking of...
https://www.usa.gov/green-card-lottery
The diversity lotto is a program that is not setup to get highly skilled or highly intelligent people into the country*. The only requirements are that the lucky lotto winner must have a high school education or equivalent, or two years of qualifying work experience and that they are from a country that has a low immigration rate to the United States. They do say that some people can be disqualified for criminal convictions and such, but the numbers themselves are a little vague. The diversity immigrant visa program grants green cards to everyone who is approved and can be used as a way to gain U.S. citizenship.
*The O-1 visa is a nonimmigrant visa for people who have extraordinary ability or achievement in a specific field. Even though they call the O-1 visa a nonimmigrant visa it is often used as a stepping stone to permanent residency. The O-1 visa is a "dual intent" visa, meaning visa holders can apply for a green card while their O-1 visa is still valid. Upon a quick glance, there have been about 18,000-19,000 O-1 visas issued each year for the last decade.
It seems like the numbers really start to get out of hand with the F2, F2A, F3 and F4 visas. These are the different visa classes for family members of permanent residents; the sub-80 IQ family members that The Alarmist** mentioned in his comment.
** Belated Merry Christmas Mr. Alarmist! and Happy New Year! I hope you and your missus are doing well and I wish you both a wonderful 2025. Cheers!
They say there were about 2.6 million legal immigrants in 2022 which was the highest since 2016 when there were 2.7 million. But even in the Trump years (aside from 2020 when it dipped presumably from the VirusPanic) there were still about 2.5 million legal immigrants each year. (Chicago has a population of 2.6 million.)
https://usafacts.org/state-of-the-union/immigration/
It seems clowns like elon mush think of "winning" as just GDP numbers or perhaps seeing his net worth go up but he's not considering how these policies will affect the quality of life for regular Americans. (More immigrants mean lower wages and higher prices for homes, among other, bigger problems.) I see no reason to sacrifice our quality of life just to artificially boost GDP or otherwise appease the tech oligarchs.
Or... Perhaps GDP has nothing to do with any of this. Perhaps GDP and population growth to rescue the ponzi scheme economy is just their excuse for replacing White people with indentured servants?
I don't know what it is, but what ever it is, I don't like it...
I hope you have a great evening, Achmed and Friends.
Happy New Year! โฎ๏ธ
Happy New Year!
๐ผ ๐๐ข๐๐ ๐ ๐ฆ๐๐ข ๐ค๐๐๐๐'๐ก ๐๐ข๐๐๐๐๐ ๐กโ๐ ๐๐๐๐ฃ๐๐ ๐๐ ๐กโ๐๐ก 30 ๐๐โ ๐๐๐ฆ.
Lol... What fun would that be?
I did indeed burn a couple large piles yesterday. But I did have to be a bit more careful than usual. Fortunately(?), the leaves were still a little on the damp side so they were less likely to get out of control. (And less likely to light from a stray ember.) But they were finally dry enough to get rid of.
We've had a bunch of rain, you see. (We even had 5 inches in the rain gauge one day.) I usually like to have them all cleaned up earlier in the season, but because of the rain and the cold weather a couple weeks back I couldn't get to this last round until now. (And I couldn't get to them sooner because they were still on the trees.)
I'm actually not quite done yet but I'm almost there. I burned a couple more piles this evening. Some of what I still have to blow I couldn't do tonight as the wind was blowing the wrong way. (Not as windy as yesterday, but I'd guess we were still blowing a consistent 20+mph or so. But the leaves were drier so they lit easier.)
๐ท๐๐ ๐ฆ๐๐ข ๐๐ข๐ ๐ก ๐๐๐๐ค '๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐กโ๐ โ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐?
Yes. Those that I didn't burn I just blow off the top and mostly into the ditch along the road by the circle driveway. (Some of them go across the street and into the holler.) I used to burn out the ditch every year but I've found that it is better to let them turn to mulch because it keeps the weeds from growing. (No need to create more work for myself.)(I also mow some of them but there are so many that I find burning as many as I can to be the most effective way to manage them.)
My batteries are 4ah. I can't tell you how long the chainsaw will run on a fully charged battery because I've only used it a few times for some light cleanup around the yard but the blower runs for about 25 minutes per fully charged battery. With 2 chargers and 4 batteries I don't get my break until a few hours in.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/india-its-worse-you-think
Thanks for the feedback on the H-2B comment the other day, Achmed. There is all this hype about the H-1B visas but by itself those are just the tip of the iceberg. They say that people coming in through these temporary work visas should be going home when they are done with their temporary job, but it seems that many of these people do use these temporary visas as a path to scoring a green card (permanent residency) and eventually citizenship. Speaking of...
https://www.usa.gov/green-card-lottery
The diversity lotto is a program that is not setup to get highly skilled or highly intelligent people into the country*. The only requirements are that the lucky lotto winner must have a high school education or equivalent, or two years of qualifying work experience and that they are from a country that has a low immigration rate to the United States. They do say that some people can be disqualified for criminal convictions and such, but the numbers themselves are a little vague. The diversity immigrant visa program grants green cards to everyone who is approved and can be used as a way to gain U.S. citizenship.
*The O-1 visa is a nonimmigrant visa for people who have extraordinary ability or achievement in a specific field. Even though they call the O-1 visa a nonimmigrant visa it is often used as a stepping stone to permanent residency. The O-1 visa is a "dual intent" visa, meaning visa holders can apply for a green card while their O-1 visa is still valid. Upon a quick glance, there have been about 18,000-19,000 O-1 visas issued each year for the last decade.
It seems like the numbers really start to get out of hand with the F2, F2A, F3 and F4 visas. These are the different visa classes for family members of permanent residents; the sub-80 IQ family members that The Alarmist** mentioned in his comment.
** Belated Merry Christmas Mr. Alarmist! and Happy New Year! I hope you and your missus are doing well and I wish you both a wonderful 2025. Cheers!
They say there were about 2.6 million legal immigrants in 2022 which was the highest since 2016 when there were 2.7 million. But even in the Trump years (aside from 2020 when it dipped presumably from the VirusPanic) there were still about 2.5 million legal immigrants each year. (Chicago has a population of 2.6 million.)
https://usafacts.org/state-of-the-union/immigration/
It seems clowns like elon mush think of "winning" as just GDP numbers or perhaps seeing his net worth go up but he's not considering how these policies will affect the quality of life for regular Americans. (More immigrants mean lower wages and higher prices for homes, among other, bigger problems.) I see no reason to sacrifice our quality of life just to artificially boost GDP or otherwise appease the tech oligarchs.
Or... Perhaps GDP has nothing to do with any of this. Perhaps GDP and population growth to rescue the ponzi scheme economy is just their excuse for replacing White people with indentured servants?
I don't know what it is, but what ever it is, I don't like it...
I hope you have a great evening, Achmed and Friends.
Happy New Year! โฎ๏ธ
Hail
Wednesday - January 1st 2025 8:10PM MST
PS
-- Did Trump reduce H1b visas? Answer: No --
"Trump-45 did a pretty nice job in bringing the H-1B visa numbers down. I've seen a bar graph of much higher rejection rates, but the denominator of total annual applications looked at matters"
Here is what I find on H1b visa-issuances by year. We should think of the following as a base-figure which must be multiplied by several times to get the full demographic impact, given the ways people can wriggle their bodies through the system, get permanent visas after a while, even get "U.S. citizenship" (quite easily by world-standards), sponsor chain-migration, and have (or bring in) children.
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H-1B issuances, total, by year of issuance
Obama Term Two
- 2013: 153,000
- 2014: 161,000
- 2015: 173,000
- 2016: 180,000
Blempf Term One
- 2017: 179,000
- 2018: 180,000
- 2019: 188,000 (this data from elsewhere)
https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Graphs/FY2013-2018%20H%20VisasWorldwide.pdf
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COMMENT: All Blomph data should be for 2017-2019 for apples-to-apples. The Blimpf people stopped the rate of rise at its 2016 rate, but did not reduce the number even to, say, 2015 numbers. And if you visit that link, you'll see that Bleempf doubled the number of H2a "temporary agricultural-worker" visas over the Obama Term Two average.
In 2020 and 2021, H1b issuances dropped. But this drop in the final eleven months of Bloomphf Term One was because everything went on hold while people indulged in their Corona-Panicking. If it were a policy pushed by VDare agents in the admin, it would've shown up already in 2017, but instead we mainly see continuity.
Therefore, I believe we have to say, based on visa-issuance data, that Trump DID NOT reduce H1b at all. An answer that "hypothetically it would've been worse under Hillary Clinton" is not really a satisfactory answer. To me that is classic "loser talk," and anyway we don't have a way to confirm it.
-- -- --
The H1b question (which could theoretically be answered with full data) is: What is the exact multiplier that would need to be applied to these yearly numbers to determine a "full demographic impact" figure? That is what everyone is interested in. This kind of visa, in the long term anyway, is often in practice a "golden visa," from which the holder can find ways to later normalize his status and then start a serious chain-migration processes. Even in the short-term, a single H-1b visa can sponsor immediate family and a pro-Diversity law stipulates that a spouse, so-sponsored, can also work lee-guh-lee.
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I knew/know a guy from Taiwan admitted on some kind of high-level student-research visa in the late 2000s. From what I can tell it was supposed to be a one-year stay for doctoral research or the like. He never left. After the visa ran out he somehow found loophole after loophole to stay. He gamed the system to such an extent that he was not only forced to leave at any point but was issued a bright-and-shiny U.S. citizenship certificate within eight or nine years.
I think the case is a classic of why citizenships ought not be granted except after extremely long periods measurable in decades; the man and his family (later sponsoring wife and son) are not Americans, but foreigners in America: so why would they be granted U.S. citizenships? At scale, it crates that strange feeling one gets at many major U.S. airports now, in which any distinction between "U.S. citizen" lines and "Foreigner" lines is long since obsolete such that they renamed it "U.S. passport holders" and "non-U.S. passport holders," a nod to how passports increasingly resemble credit-card membership status, some little technical detail about oneself.
I didn't inquire too closely, but from what I gather he got into a Taiwanese network that had legal experts instructing members of their community exactly which ways to wriggle their bodies to pass through each loophole to stay forever if needed, and upgrade to platinum-status visa called a "U.S. citizenship." I found the whole thing unethical at the time, but it's what so many millions have done since the 1970s. It's all part of a tangled web of bureaucracy that few understand.
I've known a few others whose parents I believe were early-wave H1b recipients who later normalized their status. Anyone with the ambition to "stay" seems to able to do it. This is not true at all for most countries in the world, needless to say, at least not for ordinary workers (lots of poor countries, though, have defacto the right to buy permanent-residency outright, even at prices amenable to an average U.S. citizen in middle-age, sya, who has worked and saved for some time).
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Each year, the full demographic impact of H-1B alone is going to be (end up being, after x years pass) several tenths of a percent of the national-core base-population (White-Christians).
All this against what anti-H1B movement has been arguing: We don't really need any of them! And that's true.
After a twenty-year window, a single visa-issuance may end up adding completely-new, India-like migrants at a rate of five per original visa-issuance, including chain-migrants and children later born. That's a long-term additional-resident rate of up to one million a year, "even" at the Blompf rate. At the far-higher Elon-Ramaswamy rate, it'll be well over one million.
In defense of the H1B-fanatics Elon and Ramaswamy, their plan is not really anything new in the model along which the USA muddles its political-economic corpulence along. The two men I just named only want to pump the number up to a higher rate of something already going on and managed and overseen by the USA for decades in a "bipartisan" manner. It is not aimed to create a new ethnocultural-displacement. Their aims would only modestly increase the size of the tidal wave that will wash away Western Civilization from its position on shore.
The thing to compare the H1b one-million-a-year rate to the static-stable White population of full European-Christian origin. That number is set to dip below the 190 million mark and to continue shrinking unless-and-until the White birthrate eventually increases. The one-million-a-year rate is a big demographic burden. Stretched out over thirty years, even the current rate would easily surpass the one-sixth mark of the White population.
In employment, a lot of the H1b-origin migrants will tend to eventually drift into subcommunity activities, serving either their own people or in some well-established money-farm niche like cheap Indian restaurants, motels, 7-11's, and the like. But many H1b-origin migrants and their chain-migrants and children could still approach something like the one-third mark of certain fields. Most of those slots would all otherwise be 'available' to native Whites. This means there is a win-lose aspect across a lot of aspects. White Pessimism. I believe we have seen a form of this in Deep-Blue areas of the USA, starting at some point in the late-20th century already such that by ca.2010 it was a major (though usually little-commented-on) phenomenon behind the Trump coalition of 2016 and 2020. The Trump-2024 coalition resembled the earlier ones expect for now being in the possession of people like Elon and Ramaswamy.
The full impact cannot be calculated even with full info on resident-numbers and employment-numbers alone. The effects of momentum are there, the demoralizing effects on Whites are there. There will be an effect of stabilization of foreign ethnocultural sub-communities which, beyond a certain threshold point, will facilitate still others getting in and "staying" by any number of other routes. So the all-said-and-done "multiplier" on a single H1b-issuance will be far beyond even the direct multiplier of new people a single H1b or former H1b will do in his lifetime.
-- Did Trump reduce H1b visas? Answer: No --
"Trump-45 did a pretty nice job in bringing the H-1B visa numbers down. I've seen a bar graph of much higher rejection rates, but the denominator of total annual applications looked at matters"
Here is what I find on H1b visa-issuances by year. We should think of the following as a base-figure which must be multiplied by several times to get the full demographic impact, given the ways people can wriggle their bodies through the system, get permanent visas after a while, even get "U.S. citizenship" (quite easily by world-standards), sponsor chain-migration, and have (or bring in) children.
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H-1B issuances, total, by year of issuance
Obama Term Two
- 2013: 153,000
- 2014: 161,000
- 2015: 173,000
- 2016: 180,000
Blempf Term One
- 2017: 179,000
- 2018: 180,000
- 2019: 188,000 (this data from elsewhere)
https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Graphs/FY2013-2018%20H%20VisasWorldwide.pdf
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COMMENT: All Blomph data should be for 2017-2019 for apples-to-apples. The Blimpf people stopped the rate of rise at its 2016 rate, but did not reduce the number even to, say, 2015 numbers. And if you visit that link, you'll see that Bleempf doubled the number of H2a "temporary agricultural-worker" visas over the Obama Term Two average.
In 2020 and 2021, H1b issuances dropped. But this drop in the final eleven months of Bloomphf Term One was because everything went on hold while people indulged in their Corona-Panicking. If it were a policy pushed by VDare agents in the admin, it would've shown up already in 2017, but instead we mainly see continuity.
Therefore, I believe we have to say, based on visa-issuance data, that Trump DID NOT reduce H1b at all. An answer that "hypothetically it would've been worse under Hillary Clinton" is not really a satisfactory answer. To me that is classic "loser talk," and anyway we don't have a way to confirm it.
-- -- --
The H1b question (which could theoretically be answered with full data) is: What is the exact multiplier that would need to be applied to these yearly numbers to determine a "full demographic impact" figure? That is what everyone is interested in. This kind of visa, in the long term anyway, is often in practice a "golden visa," from which the holder can find ways to later normalize his status and then start a serious chain-migration processes. Even in the short-term, a single H-1b visa can sponsor immediate family and a pro-Diversity law stipulates that a spouse, so-sponsored, can also work lee-guh-lee.
---
I knew/know a guy from Taiwan admitted on some kind of high-level student-research visa in the late 2000s. From what I can tell it was supposed to be a one-year stay for doctoral research or the like. He never left. After the visa ran out he somehow found loophole after loophole to stay. He gamed the system to such an extent that he was not only forced to leave at any point but was issued a bright-and-shiny U.S. citizenship certificate within eight or nine years.
I think the case is a classic of why citizenships ought not be granted except after extremely long periods measurable in decades; the man and his family (later sponsoring wife and son) are not Americans, but foreigners in America: so why would they be granted U.S. citizenships? At scale, it crates that strange feeling one gets at many major U.S. airports now, in which any distinction between "U.S. citizen" lines and "Foreigner" lines is long since obsolete such that they renamed it "U.S. passport holders" and "non-U.S. passport holders," a nod to how passports increasingly resemble credit-card membership status, some little technical detail about oneself.
I didn't inquire too closely, but from what I gather he got into a Taiwanese network that had legal experts instructing members of their community exactly which ways to wriggle their bodies to pass through each loophole to stay forever if needed, and upgrade to platinum-status visa called a "U.S. citizenship." I found the whole thing unethical at the time, but it's what so many millions have done since the 1970s. It's all part of a tangled web of bureaucracy that few understand.
I've known a few others whose parents I believe were early-wave H1b recipients who later normalized their status. Anyone with the ambition to "stay" seems to able to do it. This is not true at all for most countries in the world, needless to say, at least not for ordinary workers (lots of poor countries, though, have defacto the right to buy permanent-residency outright, even at prices amenable to an average U.S. citizen in middle-age, sya, who has worked and saved for some time).
---
Each year, the full demographic impact of H-1B alone is going to be (end up being, after x years pass) several tenths of a percent of the national-core base-population (White-Christians).
All this against what anti-H1B movement has been arguing: We don't really need any of them! And that's true.
After a twenty-year window, a single visa-issuance may end up adding completely-new, India-like migrants at a rate of five per original visa-issuance, including chain-migrants and children later born. That's a long-term additional-resident rate of up to one million a year, "even" at the Blompf rate. At the far-higher Elon-Ramaswamy rate, it'll be well over one million.
In defense of the H1B-fanatics Elon and Ramaswamy, their plan is not really anything new in the model along which the USA muddles its political-economic corpulence along. The two men I just named only want to pump the number up to a higher rate of something already going on and managed and overseen by the USA for decades in a "bipartisan" manner. It is not aimed to create a new ethnocultural-displacement. Their aims would only modestly increase the size of the tidal wave that will wash away Western Civilization from its position on shore.
The thing to compare the H1b one-million-a-year rate to the static-stable White population of full European-Christian origin. That number is set to dip below the 190 million mark and to continue shrinking unless-and-until the White birthrate eventually increases. The one-million-a-year rate is a big demographic burden. Stretched out over thirty years, even the current rate would easily surpass the one-sixth mark of the White population.
In employment, a lot of the H1b-origin migrants will tend to eventually drift into subcommunity activities, serving either their own people or in some well-established money-farm niche like cheap Indian restaurants, motels, 7-11's, and the like. But many H1b-origin migrants and their chain-migrants and children could still approach something like the one-third mark of certain fields. Most of those slots would all otherwise be 'available' to native Whites. This means there is a win-lose aspect across a lot of aspects. White Pessimism. I believe we have seen a form of this in Deep-Blue areas of the USA, starting at some point in the late-20th century already such that by ca.2010 it was a major (though usually little-commented-on) phenomenon behind the Trump coalition of 2016 and 2020. The Trump-2024 coalition resembled the earlier ones expect for now being in the possession of people like Elon and Ramaswamy.
The full impact cannot be calculated even with full info on resident-numbers and employment-numbers alone. The effects of momentum are there, the demoralizing effects on Whites are there. There will be an effect of stabilization of foreign ethnocultural sub-communities which, beyond a certain threshold point, will facilitate still others getting in and "staying" by any number of other routes. So the all-said-and-done "multiplier" on a single H1b-issuance will be far beyond even the direct multiplier of new people a single H1b or former H1b will do in his lifetime.
Moderator
Wednesday - January 1st 2025 3:23PM MST
PS: Well, do your house maintenance first, Adam, and then get back to us on Drumph's plan, or what you think he'll do. I guess you weren't burning the leaves on that 30 mph day. Did you just blow 'em off the hillside? I'm on my 3rd battery on my Kobalt cordless - this one says it's 3.5 amp-hours, while the originals claimed only 2.0. I wish I'd timed the originals when they were each new (almost always on High setting, so apples-to-apples) to compare, as I dont think I'm getting any 35 minutes. OTOH, I enjoy my battery-enforced "union break".
The funny thing is, I've been calling Vivek Ramalamadingdong "Vikram" just in support of the old PIC "The Office" TV show. It turns out that there is even more of a likeness, now that I know about Vivek and the sugar, errr, dementia pills: TV Vikram sold pills - diet something-or-other. But at least he did it Lee-gull-lee! (He worked in a small call center in a cube.)
I have that Indian-guy's post that appeared on AmRen in a tab from ZeroHedge - not sure where it first appeared. The comments on ZH ought to be lit.
The funny thing is, I've been calling Vivek Ramalamadingdong "Vikram" just in support of the old PIC "The Office" TV show. It turns out that there is even more of a likeness, now that I know about Vivek and the sugar, errr, dementia pills: TV Vikram sold pills - diet something-or-other. But at least he did it Lee-gull-lee! (He worked in a small call center in a cube.)
I have that Indian-guy's post that appeared on AmRen in a tab from ZeroHedge - not sure where it first appeared. The comments on ZH ought to be lit.
Adam Smith
Wednesday - January 1st 2025 2:02PM MST
PS: Happy New Year!
I've been meaning to reply to you guys for the last couple days but I've been kinda lazy about internetting and busy blowing and burning leaves because it has been nice out. (I even had a 30 mph wind at my back yesterday which really helped me move a whole lot of leaves quicker than usual.)
I have a bunch of things to say about Dernald Blumph's plan to replace White Americans with infinity Indians so long as it is done Lee-Ghul-Lee, but I also have to move all the plants in because it's going to freeze tonight. So, for now, I will leave a couple links...
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1873174358535110953
https://www.amren.com/features/2024/12/india-its-worse-than-you-think/
Oh, I also looked into that Vikram Ramalamadingdong guy a bit and I'm not quite sure it's fair to call him a snake oil salesman. I don't know if he's ever sold any of his alleged products. It seems like this guy specializes in IPO fraud.
https://archive.ph/zER9X
https://boingboing.net/2023/08/24/how-vivek-ramaswamy-cashed-in-while-shareholders-lost-millions.html
https://www.newsweek.com/vivek-ramaswamy-fraud-always-has-been-opinion-1823853
https://www.levernews.com/how-dark-money-enabled-vivek-ramaswamys-cash-grab/
https://thedeepdive.ca/entrepreneur-vivek-ramaswamy-made-money-out-of-a-failed-alzheimers-drug-and-left-investors-behind/
It's been kinda wild watching elon mush have a public ketamine meltdown. Will elon mush also livestream his suicide?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-musk-biography-walter-isaacson-twitter-tesla-b2409841.html
https://nypost.com/2023/09/11/elon-musk-has-demon-like-outbursts-walter-isaacson/
Happy New Year! โฎ๏ธ
I've been meaning to reply to you guys for the last couple days but I've been kinda lazy about internetting and busy blowing and burning leaves because it has been nice out. (I even had a 30 mph wind at my back yesterday which really helped me move a whole lot of leaves quicker than usual.)
I have a bunch of things to say about Dernald Blumph's plan to replace White Americans with infinity Indians so long as it is done Lee-Ghul-Lee, but I also have to move all the plants in because it's going to freeze tonight. So, for now, I will leave a couple links...
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1873174358535110953
https://www.amren.com/features/2024/12/india-its-worse-than-you-think/
Oh, I also looked into that Vikram Ramalamadingdong guy a bit and I'm not quite sure it's fair to call him a snake oil salesman. I don't know if he's ever sold any of his alleged products. It seems like this guy specializes in IPO fraud.
https://archive.ph/zER9X
https://boingboing.net/2023/08/24/how-vivek-ramaswamy-cashed-in-while-shareholders-lost-millions.html
https://www.newsweek.com/vivek-ramaswamy-fraud-always-has-been-opinion-1823853
https://www.levernews.com/how-dark-money-enabled-vivek-ramaswamys-cash-grab/
https://thedeepdive.ca/entrepreneur-vivek-ramaswamy-made-money-out-of-a-failed-alzheimers-drug-and-left-investors-behind/
It's been kinda wild watching elon mush have a public ketamine meltdown. Will elon mush also livestream his suicide?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-musk-biography-walter-isaacson-twitter-tesla-b2409841.html
https://nypost.com/2023/09/11/elon-musk-has-demon-like-outbursts-walter-isaacson/
Happy New Year! โฎ๏ธ
Moderator
Wednesday - January 1st 2025 4:21AM MST
PS: That's interesting about Mexicans v Indians on the societal trust question. I will have something to report from Latin America soon.
She said "I can't go back to America soon.
It's so g---damn cold, it's gonna snow until June.
There're people up in Buffalo, stuck in their cars,
and I'm lyin' here 'neith the sun and the stars..."
Please don't say manana, if you don't mean it...
She said "I can't go back to America soon.
It's so g---damn cold, it's gonna snow until June.
There're people up in Buffalo, stuck in their cars,
and I'm lyin' here 'neith the sun and the stars..."
Please don't say manana, if you don't mean it...
Moderator
Wednesday - January 1st 2025 4:19AM MST
PS: Happy '25, Alarmist. It's nice to see you on here. I did read a post of yours on your site, as recommended by Mr. Hail, but could not comment there without giving out real info - not your fault, of course. I may sign up for some cascading email addresses to avoid this, as Adam Smith advised.
About the Indians, 30-odd years ago I was friends with some very bright guys. I had no idea about the caste thing then and had no reason to talk about it with them, but I suppose they were top caste, Brahmins, or whatever Trumps that. Chain migration is the biggest problem on the legal side, though, as I wrote here, this H-1B kerfuffle is bringing all of it out into the open, or I hope. (Can't tweet, so what do *I* know?)
The families running cheap motels, the guys at the Zippy-Mart, no, they don't need high IQ's, but neither do Americans that could be working at the places.
Chain migration from India could be literally endless. They'll have, what 20 million new Indians in a years, while we import only 1 million. It's hard to keep up!
About the Indians, 30-odd years ago I was friends with some very bright guys. I had no idea about the caste thing then and had no reason to talk about it with them, but I suppose they were top caste, Brahmins, or whatever Trumps that. Chain migration is the biggest problem on the legal side, though, as I wrote here, this H-1B kerfuffle is bringing all of it out into the open, or I hope. (Can't tweet, so what do *I* know?)
The families running cheap motels, the guys at the Zippy-Mart, no, they don't need high IQ's, but neither do Americans that could be working at the places.
Chain migration from India could be literally endless. They'll have, what 20 million new Indians in a years, while we import only 1 million. It's hard to keep up!
The Alarmist
Tuesday - December 31st 2024 8:01PM MST
PS
Happy New Year, yโall... Iโll reprise the gist of my post on the last thread:
Roughly 10% of Indians speak english, and a fraction of those can only speak it passaby. I run into these types in London and Dallas, both of which have imported what seems like entire villages from India.
At some point, when you import enough people from a country with an average IQ of 76* where 600 million people still shit in the streets and outdoors, you end up in a country that has a sub-80 average IQ and shit everywhere. I guess madame Pelosi would tell you that we already handle that in SanFran, just like that famous quote of the Ossivergeltungswaffe in the former Bundesrepublik Deutschland: โWir schaffen das.โ Roughly, โWeโve got this.โ
* Yes, I know, there are smart Indians who average around 99, but they bring sub-80 family with them when they can... for comparison, the national average of Mexico is 88, and Mexico is remarkably higher-trust culture than India. Must be the cousin-marriage thingy... you do that in a low-trust culture.
Happy New Year, yโall... Iโll reprise the gist of my post on the last thread:
Roughly 10% of Indians speak english, and a fraction of those can only speak it passaby. I run into these types in London and Dallas, both of which have imported what seems like entire villages from India.
At some point, when you import enough people from a country with an average IQ of 76* where 600 million people still shit in the streets and outdoors, you end up in a country that has a sub-80 average IQ and shit everywhere. I guess madame Pelosi would tell you that we already handle that in SanFran, just like that famous quote of the Ossivergeltungswaffe in the former Bundesrepublik Deutschland: โWir schaffen das.โ Roughly, โWeโve got this.โ
* Yes, I know, there are smart Indians who average around 99, but they bring sub-80 family with them when they can... for comparison, the national average of Mexico is 88, and Mexico is remarkably higher-trust culture than India. Must be the cousin-marriage thingy... you do that in a low-trust culture.
They have indeed flooded the hospitals. During the Kung Flu, or just after, when RN's were in high demand, the hospitals, with Gov't help, put out a call for nurses from the Philippines. I would rather deal with them than some of the natives, if you know what I mean, I must say.